Transcending the illusion

[MichelleR86]

So there is no self in control of anything or?

Yes when truly investigated there really isn’t a self in control.

How does it feel to see this?

It actually feels quite freeing to see this.


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[MichelleR86]

So there is no self in control of anything or?

Yes when truly investigated there really isn’t a self in control.

How does it feel to see this?

It actually feels quite freeing to see this.


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[MichelleR86]

So there is no self in control of anything or?

Yes when truly investigated there really isn’t a self in control.

How does it feel to see this?

It actually feels quite freeing to see this.


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[MichelleR86]

Sorry my last message wasn’t sending so I think it refreshed and posted multiple times.

Stream Exercise:

No I don’t believe the water is choosing any of its directions. The flowing water isn’t seperate from its source it’s all just one movement. How it appears seems to be the product of all the conditions.

1 - No

2 - No, it seems to all be the product of conditioning.

3 - No again I feel like it’s just life living this being, life created the conditioning.



Thank you for your time and guiding me through this process.


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[Elad]

Beautiful! So when seeing is happening in LU we give some final questions and let three other guides see the answer, and maybe ask further questions, to support the clarity. Do you feel up for that now, or is there something you would like for us to look at before?


Here are also two other exercises to deepen the seeing:

[Elad]

Word “I”

Let’s look at thought and the content of thought a little more,
Write the word "I" on a piece of paper. Look at the word, is that YOU?
Now say the word “I” aloud. Is that sound YOU?
Is the combination of any of these, the word, the sound, the thought YOU?” Is the thought, "I exist" you?
Is the thought "I" you?


Spoon exercise


The following exercise is designed to let you ‘feel’ the difference between actual experience and imagined experience.
Close your eyes and imagine that you are holding a spoon. Imagine the spoons form, its size, its weight, its temperature. Look and feel at ​the imaginary spoon for a while.
Then open your eyes ... is there a spoon here, in real life? So how did you see that there is no spoon?
What happened to the spoon?
Did it disappear or did it never exist?
Notice that there was no boom and no bright flashes of light when the imaginary spoon was no longer imagined. Remember this, the shift to seeing through the illusion of a separate self is not going to be any more than this, it is just a dropping of a belief – the belief is the glue that holds the illusion together.
Now go and get a spoon from the kitchen and hold it in the same way that you imagined it.
Feel the spoon’s form, its size, its weight, its temperature. Close your eyes and feel the spoon for a while.
Now open your eyes ... is there a spoon here, in real life?
Are the image of the spoon and the experience of the spoon the same? How does imagining and experiencing the same thing differ?
Now close your eyes again and bring your attention to the image of “me”, the separate individual entity. Spend some time exploring this, and then answer the following question:

Speak the word “I” silently; be aware of any sensations or responses to this word. Are any
of these reactions in your body or mind by themselves YOU?
Is it an image or is it an actual entity?

The questions are really just there for you to consider as you do the exercise, I do not need detailed answers to each one, just some reflections on how the exercise went for you, or if you have any questions or need any clarification.

[MichelleR86]

Yes I’m up for that now if you feel that’s the next step.

I will also have a read abs apply the additional recommended exercises.

Thank you


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[Elad]

Yes I’m up for that now if you feel that’s the next step.

I will also have a read abs apply the additional recommended exercises.

Thank you


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Lovely. Send me the answer to the two additional exercises and once we finish with them we will go to final questions.

[Elad]

Also, actually:


How is this effecting how you relate with...

Emotions

Relationships and what others think of you

Self-image

The future



If needed give it a day to look.

[MichelleR86]

Word “I”

Let’s look at thought and the content of thought a little more, Write the word "I" on a piece of paper. Look at the word, is that YOU?

When I enquire and drop into the sense of “I”, the “I” before it picks up any concepts or labels it feels like a sense of me, but that pure sense of “I” does still seem like a subtle appearance which is held by something more expansive or all encompassing. That seems to be my experience when dropping deeply into this enquiery and when I stop enquiring and something else takes over.

Now say the word “I” aloud. Is that sound YOU?
Is the combination of any of these, the word, the sound, the thought YOU?” Is the thought, "I exist" you?

Is the thought "I" you?

Yes and No. It is an expression of consciousness but not limited to it.


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[Elad]

Word “I”

Let’s look at thought and the content of thought a little more, Write the word "I" on a piece of paper. Look at the word, is that YOU?

When I enquire and drop into the sense of “I”, the “I” before it picks up any concepts or labels it feels like a sense of me, but that pure sense of “I” does still seem like a subtle appearance which is held by something more expansive or all encompassing. That seems to be my experience when dropping deeply into this enquiery and when I stop enquiring and something else takes over.

Now say the word “I” aloud. Is that sound YOU?
Is the combination of any of these, the word, the sound, the thought YOU?” Is the thought, "I exist" you?

Is the thought "I" you?

Yes and No. It is an expression of consciousness but not limited to it.


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1) Is the word "I" more "an expression of consciousness" then anything else in experience, any other word or sense impression?

2) In direct experience is anything "an expression of consciousness" or everything and consciousness is one?

3) Can consciousness be found at all as something separate or localized?

4) Is there any reason in direct experience to call conscious "I" or "my" consciousness or it is "just consciousness"?

Only direct experience!

Awaiting response also to the other exercise and questions.

[MichelleR86]

Spoon exercises

I feel like when experiencing both the imagined and experiencing the spoon it felt the same. When staying just in the experience of both and not referring to mind the experience felt the same.


Non of the reactions in my mind or body alone are me they’re just images.


I will respond to the other questions shortly.

Thank you.


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[Elad]

Great!

[MichelleR86]

Is the word "I" more "an expression of consciousness" then anything else in experience, any other word or sense impression?

• Yes “I” is just an expression of consciousness.

In direct experience is anything "an expression of consciousness" or everything and consciousness is one?

• Everything is an expression of consciousness.

Can consciousness be found at all as something separate or localized?

• No, it’s all one.

Is there any reason in direct experience to call conscious "I" or "my" consciousness or it is "just consciousness"?

• It’s just consciousness.


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[MichelleR86]

These are a few things that came up when I asked the questions.


How is this effecting how you relate with..

Relationships and what others think of you

• Yes and no. Thoughts pop up and sometimes identification happens, when i become aware i drop into just the sensations irising. It comes in waves. Mind does still circulate thoughts like I don’t want to talk about ppls stories and I sometimes associate engaging with ppl in that way as it puts me into personal identification. But again I see that just as another thought. Then a thought comes that how will I stay connected with ppl when not relating on that level and what will happen to my relationships (marriage/ friendships) as I become more empty of self.

I’m not trying to fix the problems of the mind, just sitting with each thing as it arises and goes and trying to trust the process.


Self-image

• Im feeling more and more empty of identity.

I don’t worry too much but sometimes I’m getting disorientated so a thought comes up if I’ll function properly around ppl, or remember things i need to.


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