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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:53 pm

Hi Steve,
A very deep Looking, and questioning, a good motto to have "Question Everything and Look".
We have digressed a little, this is where the impulse has taken us, so lets continue to look and see what comes up.

We are in very subtle territory, take your time and when you are 100% clear, answer.
I feel like my senses are my awareness and not separate.

If there is a sense of individuality, does that mean that the sense of individuality verifies that there is an individual? No. Senses can be manufactured, if there is a sense of individuality there will be a sense of free will. Just like, you can take drugs and have a different sense of something, or you can be in a room and put on some rose colored glasses you will sense the room differently.
If senses can be manufactured and you "feel like your senses are your awareness and not separate", is awareness (noun) real. Look with Direct Experience. are you awareness? what comes up?

Are my senses then just providing me with more story even in the absence of conceptual labels?
What a great question. let's Look with DE and let me know what you find.
With Loving Kindness
Paul


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It's simply what's happening.

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:20 pm

If senses can be manufactured and you "feel like your senses are your awareness and not separate", is awareness (noun) real. Look with Direct Experience. are you awareness? what comes up?
I see, hear, smell etc the input from my senses that my awareness allows me to experience, therefore awareness is a constant and real. The input coming in via the senses isn’t real because it is just a mental representation of the world outside of my body.

Are my senses then just providing me with more story even in the absence of conceptual labels?
What a great question. let's Look with DE and let me know what you find
In DE when my field of vision is open and relaxed, I feel more connected, more at ease, the world seems to come in more and there is little or no story. When I focus in on anything then I can feel story arising from sensory input.
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
Steve

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:28 am

I got up this morning. I re-read a section of LU (the book) - deep looking. After my experiences with you here Paul so much of it made more sense. I began to check in with everything that was going on with me via DE - looking and seeing what was there. I noticed a bit of tension in my forehead and welcomed it without words or labeling, just a feeling of gratitude, when I checked again a little bit later it had gone. I then started to welcome in more and more of my direct experience, it’s a wonderful and peaceful feeling - thank you for all your help Paul.
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:53 am

Hi Steve,
I then started to welcome in more and more of my direct experience, it’s a wonderful and peaceful feeling - thank you for all your help Paul.
I am so happy to hear, and it is an absolute pleasure, Thank you for presenting the opportunity for me to guide you.

This is not the end, just the beginning, we still have a ways to go, but it is a wonderful perception shift.

The welcoming of sensation is a beautiful thing, it shifts the perception from bad/suppressing to gratitude, grateful for the opportunity to sit with the sensations and welcome them, acknowledging them, letting them flow through the body.

There are many seeming sensations but they all fall into 2 types - Contraction and Expansion. Contraction is where all the 'fear' thoughts come from and often there is a constant contraction or tension in the lower abdomen or chest or neck, that is so constant we don't notice, but when you do, meeting it and sitting with it, acknowledging it, lets the tension (contraction) flow through the body and with repetition the body see its safety and no longer keeps that sensation on high alert.

The expansion is received as relaxed states, no threats, feeling good. Now we can Look and take every opportunity to sit with sensation, even the small dull sensations present as an opportunity to acknowledge and let them flow through the body.
I see, hear, smell etc the input from my senses that my awareness allows me to experience, therefore awareness is a constant and real. The input coming in via the senses isn’t real because it is just a mental representation of the world outside of my body.
If Awareness is constant and real, is it constant and real in deep sleep?

Lets address 'Awareness', it can happen that awareness (noun) becomes another belief by the self. The self discovers this new thing, the awareness, and it becomes like a shiny toy and says look I'm not the Self, I'm awareness, and then awareness is the new black. That analogy sounds good in my head but not sure if it delivers the pointing, let me know if you need me to clarify it.

There is BEING Aware, the experiencing, that is constant.
It is what is always there, presence.
The input coming in via the senses isn’t real because it is just a mental representation of the world outside of my body.
Is It?
If you drink a glass of water, the labeling of a glass and water with thought doesn't mean that they don't exist. If you take the label away from the glass you still see something, and if you take the label away from water you still have the sensation of a liquid sliding down your throat as you drink it.

We will do some more exercises and the pointing will make it clearer.
Lets get back on track with the following exercise.

Cup Exercise

Here is an exercise which points out the difference between direct experience and content of thought.
There are two types of thoughts:

(1) Thoughts with words “Here is cup”
(2) Visual mental images of a ‘cup’

So I invite you to do this exercise:

Think of a cup. Get a very clear picture in your mind. See clearly the size, shape, colour and volume of the cup. Notice whether it is decorated or plain. Notice whether it has a handle. Notice whether it is heavy or fragile. Do you have a clear picture in mind?

Now, can you physically grasp that image of a cup? Can you pour tea into it?

Can you drink from it?

Is there a ‘real’ cup or just an image of a cup?

Is there an appearing mental image?

Is the content of the mental image (the cup) ‘real’?

The thoughts and mental images are real only as arising thoughts and mental images, their ‘presence’ cannot be denied. However their contents, what are they about are not ‘real’, they are just fantasies. Can you see this?

Over the course of the next day or so, I'd like you to notice the content of thoughts. Whenever there is an arising thought or mental image, check whether its content (what it’s about) is really happening, or the content is just pure imagination. Let me know how it goes.
With Loving Kindness
Paul


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It's simply what's happening.

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:13 pm

I see, hear, smell etc the input from my senses that my awareness allows me to experience, therefore awareness is a constant and real. The input coming in via the senses isn’t real because it is just a mental representation of the world outside of my body.
If Awareness is constant and real, is it constant and real in deep sleep?
In deeper contemplation of what I previously wrote I’ve got to ask if awareness even exists, whether awake or asleep? In DE I’m not aware of being aware. Awareness is just a word that can be used to communicate a concept or state is it not? In DE I’m being and not even being if i’m honest, I just am.

The input coming in via the senses isn’t real because it is just a mental representation of the world outside of my body.

Is It?
Sorry, of course the input is real. I think that I meant that the internal representation of the world wasn’t necessarily real.

Think of a cup. Get a very clear picture in your mind. See clearly the size, shape, colour and volume of the cup. Notice whether it is decorated or plain. Notice whether it has a handle. Notice whether it is heavy or fragile. Do you have a clear picture in mind?
Yes, I see the cup quite clearly

Now, can you physically grasp that image of a cup? Can you pour tea into it?
No

Can you drink from it?
No
Is there a ‘real’ cup or just an image of a cup?
An image
Is there an appearing mental image?
Yes, the image appears in my imagination
Is the content of the mental image (the cup) ‘real’?

The real cup is in the world. The cup I can see and perceive in the world isn’t real. The cup I can imagine is as real as the cup I can see via my visual faculty.
The thoughts and mental images are real only as arising thoughts and mental images, their ‘presence’ cannot be denied. However their contents, what are they about are not ‘real’, they are just fantasies. Can you see this?
Yes, I do get this as mentioned above.
Over the course of the next day or so, I'd like you to notice the content of thoughts. Whenever there is an arising thought or mental image, check whether its content (what it’s about) is really happening, or the content is just pure imagination. Let me know how it goes.

I noticed conversations in my head. For example, it’s sometimes like there’s two people chatting. I just had an internal debate about what I was going to have for lunch. As the day went on I would notice these little mental chats and as I watch them happen there is now a recognition of how ephemeral and insignificant they are.
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
Steve

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:49 pm

Hi Steve,
Perfect, lets look closer.
there is now a recognition of how ephemeral and insignificant they are
Notice, where is the thinker of thoughts, when thoughts appear?

Could you try finding it? Please don't jump to the conclusion that there is none.
Actually look for it, and if there is even a bit of thinker perceived, please
report.
With Loving Kindness
Paul


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It's simply what's happening.

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:30 am

where is the thinker of thoughts, when thoughts appear?

Could you try finding it? Please don't jump to the conclusion that there is none.
Actually look for it, and if there is even a bit of thinker perceived, please
report.
In DE I looked at this very deeply. I felt that thoughts began to bubble up from the energy that is my mind, I watched them come and go. Is mind the thinker of thoughts? If mind is this mysterious power station that powers consciousness and consciousness allowing thoughts to travel its bandwidth then mind is the thinker of thoughts.
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
Steve

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:00 am

Hi Steve,
Great looking,

Question everything and then Look.
In deeper contemplation of what I previously wrote I’ve got to ask if awareness even exists, whether awake or asleep?
What did you find?
In DE I’m not aware of being aware. Awareness is just a word that can be used to communicate a concept or state is it not?
Ok lets have a Look
Is there a separate autonomous awareness prior to senses?


Is there something other than being Aware?
With Loving Kindness
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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:30 am

Question everything and then Look.
In deeper contemplation of what I previously wrote I’ve got to ask if awareness even exists, whether awake or asleep?
What did you find?
Sleep consciousness happens, I remember my dreams sometimes. I can’t look at it though. When I’m intentionally looking into DE the mind is quieter. When I’m not looking, the mind seems to do its own thing….thoughts bubble up, flights of fancy entertained, thought scenarios acted out. The mind likes to think, it seems to be addicted to thought, I notice it throwing a thought out that leads to another and then another that refer to the ‘I’ always to the ‘I’ in one way or another. Even though I know that the ‘I’ is a false construct I don’t seem to ‘get’ it yet….but getting it is just another thought of course.
In DE I’m not aware of being aware. Awareness is just a word that can be used to communicate a concept or state is it not?
Ok lets have a Look
Is there a separate autonomous awareness prior to senses?
There is the energy flow of mind prior to the senses.








Is there something other than being Aware?
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
Steve

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:12 pm

As each day goes by I find that I am looking and seeing in DE and thought stories are subsiding more quickly than before. However, something strange has started to happen. As I spend more and more time in direct experience and conscious thoughts fade away faster than before the volume of my body sensations seems to have been turned up. Feelings in my gut of either hunger (even after I haven eaten shortly before) and feelings of discomfort. It’s almost as if the conscious thought stories know they are being seen for what they are and are trying to find another avenue to express themselves and perhaps fill the void left by conscious story telling thoughts.
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
Steve

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 3:23 am

Hi Steve,
I am really encouraged by your earnestness, awesome work.
Is mind the thinker of thoughts? If mind is this mysterious power station that powers consciousness and consciousness allowing thoughts to travel its bandwidth then mind is the thinker of thoughts.
In your DE can you find a separate autonomous mind that generates and thinks thoughts?
Again actually look for it, and if there is even a bit of mind perceived, please
report.
Remember, don't think about it; instead, Look with curiosity.
Even though I know that the ‘I’ is a false construct I don’t seem to ‘get’ it yet….but getting it is just another thought of course.
Lets Look for this 'I' that you know is a false construct. Lets look to see if this is true.
Can you find a separate autonomous 'I', or 'Self' or 'Me' anywhere, even if a bit of 'I' is perceived, please report.
Once again sit with your DE and no thought or labels and see.


"I don’t seem to ‘get’ it yet"
Steve there is nothing to get, that is the paradox, you are already what you seek.
Turn in and see from what you already are, Not from the 'I' that is seeking.
With Loving Kindness
Paul


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It's simply what's happening.

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:57 am

In your DE can you find a separate autonomous mind that generates and thinks thoughts?
Again actually look for it, and if there is even a bit of mind perceived, please
report.
Remember, don't think about it; instead, Look with curiosity.
Even though I know that the ‘I’ is a false construct I don’t seem to ‘get’ it yet….but getting it is just another thought of course.
Lets Look for this 'I' that you know is a false construct. Lets look to see if this is true.
Can you find a separate autonomous 'I', or 'Self' or 'Me' anywhere, even if a bit of 'I' is perceived, please report.
Once again sit with your DE and no thought or labels and see.
There was a massive realization this morning. In DE there was looking with curiosity, and looking and looking and there was no separate mind found. There was nothing found but there was everything discovered and there was a question answered and I wasn’t even asking the question. The question wasn’t who am I the question was ‘What am I?’ The answer (although I am still exploring) is; I am this moment, I am this exerperience, I am even the bloody TV lol. I am without end and without beginning. Thoughts raced at first but I laughed and thought ‘that’s ok, thank you, you are welcome here. I feel expansion Paul. I love you. Thank you. Something is happening, I will report more later. I suspect, I need to go with this. I have no problem saying ‘I’ at all - it’s just a word, there isn’t an ‘’I’ here but it does come in handy lol
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
Steve

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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:56 am

Hi Steve,
I feel expansion Paul. I love you. Thank you. Something is happening
Beautiful sharing, and it's an absolute pleasure, thank you for this opportunity to walk with you.

You are looking with Direct experience and you find no separate 'mind', no separate 'self 'or 'I', in the same way look to see if anything is separate?
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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby Steve101 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:43 pm

You are looking with Direct experience and you find no separate 'mind', no separate 'self 'or 'I', in the same way look to see if anything is separate?

I thought I would leave a couple of days to allow my ‘realisation’ to settle. Yes, there is looking with Direct Experience and no mind, no separate self is found. Having said that, there is this feeling that I’m not looking anymore….there only seems to be direct experience. There is seeing and hearing but no apparent entity to hear or see as if it was personal.

Nothing seems to be separate, I sometimes feel that there is just this immersive 3D experience but thoughts of ‘I’ still sometimes come and go. Today I was mildly irritated (although it manifested itself in a kind of joking way…as if it should have irritated me) in response to something someone said but why is this? …I know that there is no me to be irritated.
Thoughts tell the story of a ‘self.’ Just put the book down, know that it’s only a story and look directly at what is real.

With loving kindness
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Re: Behind the scenes

Postby CarefulDog88 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:50 am

Nothing seems to be separate, I sometimes feel that there is just this immersive 3D experience but thoughts of ‘I’ still sometimes come and go. Today I was mildly irritated (although it manifested itself in a kind of joking way…as if it should have irritated me) in response to something someone said but why is this? …I know that there is no me to be irritated.
What a wonderful realization, I am so happy for you.

If you bring the attention closer to the feeling what comes up?

Yes! Now when you stop trying to describe, stop believing labels about reality instead of experiencing reality:
Don't answer quick except if the answer is the clearest thing in the world. Don't answer what the mind thinks is right or what it thinks I want to hear. Be a light onto yourself.

Is there a separate self or doer?

Is there any doubt?

Is anything missing?


How does this feel now?

What is different from before our dialogue?
With Loving Kindness
Paul


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It's simply what's happening.


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