Rico Rolf's inquiries

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby Nikinutter » Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:39 pm

The doubts have gone now. For the last few days it felt again like things were releasing and unfolding on their own, just needing a bit time for that. Feelings seem to become less sticky every day. For example, yesterday feelings of hunger came up without the "globalized" sense that there's an issue with "my" current state. Just the sensations of hunger. And open awareness increasingly becomes the natural resting ground to return to. Thoughts and sticky feelings are pulling away from there - but increasingly gentle and for shorter times. Often it feels as if remaining stickiness is "massaged away" by the experience itself. There's an unexciting naturalness and calmness and it is very nice not to be pulled away from that all the time. :)
I'm so glad to hear this Rolf :) What an amazing experience to rest in. I really resonate with the phrase "unexciting naturalness" as it can be so easily overlooked in its simplicity. Beautiful.

When there is no doubt left to explore the is some final questions to explore to ensure clarity. Once you've answered these questions I bring them to the other guides who will confirm you've seen through the illusion of self or ask questions meant to deepen your knowing of experience. Do you feel ready for that?
When we look with the “I” we dream
When we look for the “I” we awaken.
~Mooji (Satsang)
The wound is the place where the Light enters you.
~Rumi

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby ricorolf » Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:53 pm

Do you feel ready for that?
Yes :)

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby Nikinutter » Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:01 pm

Hi there Rolf,

Ok, here they are. Please take as much time as you need and enjoy the exploration!

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Anything to add?

Warmly, Nic
When we look with the “I” we dream
When we look for the “I” we awaken.
~Mooji (Satsang)
The wound is the place where the Light enters you.
~Rumi

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby ricorolf » Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:39 pm

Hi Nic, thanks for the questions!
Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, there is no separate self. There are only sensory experiences with different flavors. Most are quite neutral. Some (especially contractions) come with a sense of preference. But there's no need to make a story out of that. So there are only the sensory experiences and their different flavors.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The way I see it is that a sense of self is always created by implication. When there are sensations or thoughts, they sometimes imply that there's an entity in relation to them. Like an owner or doer or receiver. And as long as you do not look closely, the implication is enough to be convincing. But when you look closer then it turns out that there are only the sensory experiences to be found. For some experiences looking closely is easier than for others. Especially when they are unpleasant. Then it's more difficult to stay long and close enough to see through the emptiness of the implication.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before the dialogue there was a long process (several years, actually) where the sense of self became more and more shaky, layer after layer slowly peeling off. It was also very challenging at times with trauma coming up, lot's of shadow work, intense meditation practice... About two months ago, the struggle dropped away when the "struggler" disappeared. This seemed like a good time to make sense of the whole experience and to get support in scanning experience for remains of the struggler. Which brought me here. The last days have been very easy. Before, the struggler mainly used to come up around unpleasant sensations and feelings. Like tiredness, hunger, nervousness, pressure on the chest, etc. But now, all the sensations are still there but without the secondary reaction, without the struggler taking it personally. It feels very present, very in contact with the moment-to-moment banality of life. Yesterday I found myself sitting on the couch, just being present with all the sense impressions, not knowing what to do with this freedom. :D
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
There have been several moments that have pushed the edge of identification.
  • The question about whether I could choose the thoughts to think was fun. I was surprised by how strong a sense of self came up there, "Of course I can!". Which was immediately corrected by reality, of course. :D
  • Then there was the question about the experiencer. When I looked there, I felt a bit desperate searching and searching and not finding. But later it clicked that I had it backwards. It may not have been the looking that caused the desperation. But rather a subtle sense of desperation that was in the background that stood in the way of seeing. Having it in the foreground now seemed like a feature, not a bug, revealing a quite notorious layer of self.
  • When you asked me to point at the location where "Rolf" is, I realized that I was busy exploring increasingly subtle qualities of sensory experience. Taking a step back from there to see the big picture again made it very obvious how - on that level of analysis - there's no doubt about the illusionary nature of the self.
  • And in general it helped me to give written answers. Because it forced me to slow down and be thorough enough in my investigations until the answer is precise enough. Without the writing, it's easier to rush through things...
Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Getting out of bed or getting out of the shower are typical moments of "decision" for me. And it's almost comical to watch and wait for the moment when the decision is finally going to happen. Because until it happens, I have no clue when it will be. :D
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
I feel intention mostly in the form of "intending to make the best out of a situation", recently. It's a bit like watching a landscape with a soft, loving gaze. Without "me" standing out of the picture, just the whole scene. I think that has made me a much more kind and helpful colleague recently, because personal agendas are far more in the background.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
The whole idea of free will has stopped making sense to me a long long time ago.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
With choice it's similar like described above. First, the idea of different options to choose from are just thoughts anyways. But these thoughts often come with different, more or less pleasant sensations in the body. As an example from recent experience I'm thinking of a group of people deciding where the get lunch. There are options as thoughts, bodily reactions, and in the end the whole situation moving forward into some direction or another. There's not really a choice in there. At least not in the narrow sense of free will.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Here's a very recent example about the sense of control. I just got a rejection letter in an application process that was dear to me. The reaction was magnitudes smoother than it would have been a short while ago. There were some (productive) thoughts about what to do differently next time. There were some feelings of disappointment and regret that did not stick, just passed through. There was no sense of control about the overall situation to be violated by the rejection. There was just a sense of control in how to use attention skillfully in this situation. And even that passed quickly (~30min) because controlling attention also didn't work out. ;)
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don't know! :D
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
I used to feel a lot of personal responsibility. Like feeling responsible that everyone is happy in a given situation. Or that work results are always great. And these are still great goals to aim for. But as I described above, when a given situation is more like an integrated whole without the "me" sticking out too prominently from the scene, then the conventional sense of responsibility that often became a burden can relax. That has been my experience recently.
Anything to add?
Thanks a lot for your guidance! I found it really helpful to do these questions in written form and in a loop with someone. And I was looking forward every day to your new post! :)

Warmly,
Rolf

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby Nikinutter » Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:09 pm

Hello Again,

Thank you for the detailed answers Rolf. I will share them with the other guides and let you know if they have any further questions for you.
Thanks a lot for your guidance! I found it really helpful to do these questions in written form and in a loop with someone. And I was looking forward every day to your new post! :)
You are very welcome. I also enjoyed our dialogue and looked forward to hearing from you and what insights you had gained.

Warmly, Nic
When we look with the “I” we dream
When we look for the “I” we awaken.
~Mooji (Satsang)
The wound is the place where the Light enters you.
~Rumi

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby Nikinutter » Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:21 am

Hello again friend,

Well, no one had any other questions for you! Welcome to the freedom of understanding there was no gate to crash. It just gets better from here the more it deepens. I'm excited for you, it's been a pleasure going on this journey with you. Truly.

You will contacted by an admin and invited into the FB group. It can be a good place to talk to others and find groups if you want to connect to others. It can sometimes feel lonely if you don't have someone in your life to talk to about this experience without sounding like a mad person. We all understand the madness of it all : )

And if you would like to pay it forward consider becoming a guide on LU. You would just have to let the admin who contacts you know and she can put you into the guide central Facebook group where you can learn from others and find a mentor if you desire. It really does help deepen your own insights and it feels amazing to give to the community and stay connected.

And if you ever think I can help or you are struggling you can write in this thread, or contact me through the forum (just click my profile and there are options there). You will also see me on Facebook and if be happy to chat there.

Below are some excellent resources if you want further exploration or need some support. Sometimes once the so called "honeymoon" period fades old patterns and stories can pop up, not always, but support can sometimes help if they do.

Angelo Dillulo and his Simply Awake app. Free app for your phone that contains dozens of meditations that will help you keep looking deeper.
Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... roid.awake
Apple: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/simply-awake/id1544382796

https://www.simplytheseen.com/explore-each-fetter.html
Great resource if you want to explore fetter work on your own.

https://youtube.com/@TheAwakeningCurric ... 3MRqBTQVP1
I love Pernille's stuff, she really makes it clear how to live a life free from any identification with self through the fetters. She's got online Q&A's a couple times a month. You'll also find her partner Todd there who offers paid 1:1's and inquiry groups usually bi weekly. He's a lovely person and insightful guide.

https://www.wakingup.com/
Sam Harris and his Waking up app is an amazing resource of daily meditations, interviews, and practices that explore the non-duality realm of life. It is also free to anyone who can't afford it, there is a link to write just dating that you cannot pay for the app and would like to use it.

https://1ness.info/?fbclid=IwAR1sPJ4ibx ... CfuTlIaPHY
Vince is a wonderful guide and person. He leads free zoom meetings and has paid 1:1 sessions to help you go deeper.

Warmly, Nic (づ๑•ᴗ•๑)づ
When we look with the “I” we dream
When we look for the “I” we awaken.
~Mooji (Satsang)
The wound is the place where the Light enters you.
~Rumi

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Re: Rico Rolf's inquiries

Postby ricorolf » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:51 pm

Hi Nic,

Thanks for all the additional resources! I will take some time to check them out. :)

Warmly,
Rolf


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