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Re: Ready to let go

Postby albanygal » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:43 am

Hi Bill,

Thanks so much for your affirmation that what is happening is ok. It seems to have allowed more feelings to arise as I work this afternoon, feeling afraid and nervous of getting it wrong. Actually they are nearly always here really, however allowed consciously this time.
Don’t fear it; welcome it. There is no one to control it.
Just trust the process and let it be okay.
Its seems as if there is no getting out of this, so all that can be done here is to let life happen and trust the process and not the doubts.

I am not concerned about problems going away, and feeling feelings. I just want to see really clearly that this self does not exist, and am feeling more desirous of it than ever.

Thank you so much for all your time. Debbie

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby albanygal » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:08 am

Hi Bill,

Just to update, this morning I saw the thought

“I want just want to shake off this feeling of fear and nervousness that is hanging on”
Then the though “but would I be me without it?”
“I wouldn’t be safe without it”
now there is noticing sensations of fear of losing that fear and nervousness, its like thee is a grasping to keep hold of it, but the feeling is allowed.

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby Bill » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:41 am

Its seems as if there is no getting out of this, so all that can be done here is to let life happen and trust the process and not the doubts.

Just to update, this morning I saw the thought
“I want just want to shake off this feeling of fear and nervousness that is hanging on”
Then the thought “but would I be me without it?”
“I wouldn't be safe without it”
now there is noticing sensations of fear of losing that fear and nervousness, its like thee is a grasping to keep hold of it, but the feeling is allowed.
Just let all the feelings that come up - be. Feel them fully without rejecting them or avoiding or trying to replace them.
All are here and are valid.
Know that you can be here with the fear, and nothing bad will happen.
It's just fear... like a star shooting across the sky..... it's here. then its gone.
There is really nothing substantial to the fears if they are really LOOKED at.
There's nothing there actually.
LOOK for yourself if you can find anything substantial. Other than the feeling itself.
When fear arises, look carefully and see if you are OK, except for your thoughts about the fear.

Debbie - you are looking directly at the construct of the self.
Look and see it. See your own 'I' and how it was 'born' and developed over time.
See how your story was written and believed by all.
Is it true? Is there a 'you' that exists?

You are not who you think you are. Literally. Find out if you exist at all outside of thought.

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby albanygal » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:34 am

Hello Bill,

It has been a busy day, when that happens, its just like life is happening.

Yesterday there was lots of allowing the fears to be and it wasn't difficult, and I am always OK. Its great to see and be much more conscious of nothing to fix or change. Its a bit like there is a frightened child here. I asked the mind if it was ready to let go of this nervous fearful feeling and did it think life would be safe without this feeling and the answer was Yes. Today it really isnt even present, except for a couple of glimmers that are allowed to be.

Its being seen that all this background stuff has been taken to be the self, something that has been happening forever. My friend Rhonda who has recently been through the gate was sharing with me something she was reading on Ilona's sight about thanking the thoughts and feelings. I find this has such a softening, safe and accepting energy to it.

Yes, it feels like this is looking at the mind made construct of the self.
Is it true? Is there a 'you' that exists?
Is there a me that exists? The me that appears to exist is in thought only, there is absolutely nothing that can be held on to and said to be the I, not now or ever. Even though there are still I thoughts, they appear and disappear and are not solid and separate.

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby Bill » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:46 pm

"Is it true? Is there a 'you' that exists?"

Is there a me that exists? The me that appears to exist is in thought only, there is absolutely nothing that can be held on to and said to be the I, not now or ever. Even though there are still I thoughts, they appear and disappear and are not solid and separate.
Hi Debbie,

Good work on your part!


1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

I think you've answered the first question above....
Are you ready for the rest of them?
We are really here to see through the illusion of the self.
It looks like you are definitely seeing that to me.
Please let me know if you'd like further inquiry.
We can do that here if you'd like.

We do have a great aftercare FB group for further discussion...
Your friend has probably told you about this. :)

Let me know...

Bill

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby albanygal » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:15 am

Hello Bill,

While thoughts are busy telling stories, its also seen for what they are. There is a felt sense of a self doing this, but also a little wonder at life happening and that is all okay. Its seen how much the thoughts tell stories and try to find problems with right now, but that is not me doing anything, just what is happening. There is no experience of spaciousness, or amazing insights, but the goal really is only to be present to this moment in life, so what is is okay.

I want to go much deeper, do you think its best to do that here or I can probably do that just as well in the other groups. Maybe lets see how I go answering the questions.

Much appreciated. Debbie

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby Bill » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:45 am

While thoughts are busy telling stories, its also seen for what they are. There is a felt sense of a self doing this, but also a little wonder at life happening and that is all okay. Its seen how much the thoughts tell stories and try to find problems with right now, but that is not me doing anything, just what is happening. There is no experience of spaciousness, or amazing insights, but the goal really is only to be present to this moment in life, so what is is okay.

I want to go much deeper, do you think its best to do that here or I can probably do that just as well in the other groups. Maybe lets see how I go answering the questions.
Debbie,

From here on, it only gets deeper.
There's really not an end to it....it's like peeling an onion.
Let's see how these go.
Answer fully from your truth.

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby albanygal » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:02 am

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
There is only now and seeing, hearing, thoughts, feelings, sensations happen, but there is no ‘me’ who is making it happen, there never was. There is only an illusory appearance of a separate self, all of life is experienced through seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, feeling and thoughts, it all arises and there is nothing that is outside or separate from this.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.
The illusion of a separate self starts between 2 and 3 years of age. Children are told that in life there is good/bad, happy/sad, us/them, you/me etc. This develops into a belief that they exist separately from the rest of life, they are the observer separate from the observed. For example, to be loved and accepted they must be good and resist impulses to be bad. Its like the brain develops the ability to project life and it seems as if it is outside of the experience of the self. Thoughts are given more attention than feelings and sensations and society places greater value on thinking. Feeling is discouraged and sometimes forbidden in a bid to be socially accepted and controlled. The belief that because thoughts dominant the attention they are the doer or manager of life.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.
It feels amazing. There has been a knowing for a long time that life happens by itself, but not a lived experience because the thoughts dominated the attention so much. Everything still happens pretty much the same, but there is no ownership. Its like there is this imaginary world happening claiming to be ‘my’ thoughts, feelings etc, but its not real, its like a dream world.

Its like when dreaming during sleep, it seems real when it is happening, but when woken from the dream, its known it was only an illusory story that appeared then disappeared.

Now that thoughts can be seen to arise spontaneously from nowhere, there isn’t anyone doing it, same as there isn’t anyone breathing, beating the heart, hearing, seeing etc, all those thoughts just happen too, hooray!

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.
Are you interested in falling in love with life as it is? If you are tired of all your mental dramas and are ready to give it all up, you will first need to inquire into who you really are.
You will have already noticed that breathing, digesting, heart beating, hair and nails growing, seeing, hearing etc. all happen without any need for you to make any conscious effort;
Can you honestly say any of these things require your active conscious attention? Have they ever? From your conception to between 2 and 3 years of age, you were totally unaware of any sense of consciously doing anything. In this time, you learnt to crawl, walk, run, use your hands and your body in general, you could also talk. During the early childhood years, a belief in a you that is separate from the rest of life and was disconnected and alone developed.
You took on the belief that you are contained in this body here and they are over there. The brain learned how to create an imaginary image of a you that had to do life right to be loved and accepted by others.

I have always had a huge curiosity about life and it has led me to finally inquire into the nature of my reality. I have been taken through a series of questions and inner inquiry and now it is clear to me that there is no ‘me/self/I’ who is in control and doing this life. This is amazing to realize and releases the belief in a separate self who has to manage and control this life, and do it right! There is absolutely nothing to fear, life happened without the need for me to manage it and it always will.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?
What pushed me over the edge, was the day the thought story was going bananas about how I wasn’t getting it right etc, carrying on like a 2yo having a tantrum (it seemed like there really was a 2yo me thrashing about), and suddenly it was seen that it didn’t exist at all, it was just like a dream. All there really was in reality, was sitting on a bike riding.

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby Bill » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:21 pm

Hello Debbie,

Thanks for the full answers.
I am going to invite our other guides to take a look here.
They may have a question or two...maybe not. I have none.

After this, we have several affiliated groups on FB, and a few particularly
dedicated to what we call aftercare.
I know you'll find these helpful.

I like the work you've done here!
Will get back to you as soon as i here something.

Bill

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby Bill » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:42 am

Great job Debbie,

You've been confirmed by the other guides.
You're now blue in color on the forum.

We invite you to the FB Beyond the Gate & Unleashed groups, which is a form of aftercare and discussion.
There are a couple other FB groups we have for discussion that you also might be interested in.
And also there is guiding others should you choose to do that.
There's a bit more of the website available to you now.
Just look around, you'll see it.

Here is a page now that you are blue on the forum to check out.
the first part of it concerns the closed facebook group

http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... ?f=6&t=696

Theres a lot of info there on all the groups, etc.
Let me know if there's anything more needed.
Look for you on Facebook Unleashed.

If there's any more questions, please ask.
I will leave this thread open for awhile if you have any further questions
or if you want to make any more comments.
It will be moved to the liberated section in time.
It's been great working with you!

Namaste,
Bill

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby albanygal » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:22 am

Thanks so much for your time and patience Bill.
Its now so obvious that this life is not run by a me in control and all the mind chatter is just that, not who I am.

I can see there is still a habit of thinking very present, but also seen for what it is. There has been a lifetime habit of wanting life to be different to how it is, and that is still lurking around but also seen. I will go to the FB Beyond the Gate for inquiry into this. I am also very lucky to have my dear friend Rhonda who lives only 10 minutes drive away, she has also recently been part of this forum and passed the gateless gate.

I do not feel a pull to work with others at this stage. There used to be all sorts of plans for what "I" wanted life to be like, but they not around at present. Apart from working part time doing accounts for Robs electrical business, life allows me to inquire into the mystery.

With love and appreciation, Debbie

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Re: Ready to let go

Postby Bill » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:02 pm

Debbie,

Great to work with you.
Know that all the conditioning is still here and can be LOOKED at anytime.
See it for what it is. Just conditioning. Its not a definer by any means of anything.
Good you have a friend nearby. That should be helpful to both of you.

Great work!

Bill


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