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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:23 am

Good. Yes.

Now let's bring it together a bit:

Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise. Google for a picture of an apple.

Image

When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?


While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Have fun and let me know what you find out.


Or this one?
Explore ‘Sense of Self’

Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken.

This is just like that. You may see clearly that the self is an illusion but still feel a sense of self - just like the keys. But feeling something to be true and seeing that it is or is not is different. This is why we may find ourselves coming back to your expectations at the start and at the end.

Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it. Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:

Does the sense of self have a location?

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?

Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?

If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?

What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

What is found?


You don't have to do them again, but LOOK. What do they point to? [/color]

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:45 am

Hi I’ve just seen this now, I will reply later today after doing the exercise.

Is there a notification setting I can turn on my emails maybe?

Ravina

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:52 pm

It should be on.

See the little wrench? When it says "unsubscribe" you are subscribed. It's a toggle.
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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:32 pm

Thanks for the advice about the emails. Maybe it's because I was still logged in.
What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?
The thoughts do not mean anything so we cannot know the content of them for sure.
Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only colour and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?
No apple is here its just the colour and the thoughts.
Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?
No, the experience is happening and it's just the label of the 'apple' that would imply this. If the label had not been known then it would be impossible.
However, is an apple actually known?
No, it could have a different name or label or NO label/name and so would not be known, it would then just be an experience.
Does the sense of self have a location?
Yes, the parameter of the apparent body.
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
A body shape, but I can't feel a size.
Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
No, thoughts arise but when they pause no communication is there.
If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?
N/A
Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
No, other than short hair which I can feel touching my ears,
What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?
All of these at varying points.
What is found?
Ultimately that its just a sensory experience happening to an illusory 'self'.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:43 am

Sorry. I accidentally copied 2 pointers.
What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?
The thoughts do not mean anything so we cannot know the content of them for sure.
I don't know what you're answering. but yes, we do know the content of thought. It just isn't DE.
Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only colour and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?
No apple is here its just the colour and the thoughts.
Right.
Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?
No, the experience is happening and it's just the label of the 'apple' that would imply this. If the label had not been known then it would be impossible.
Not so much "impossible" as simply not found in AE.
However, is an apple actually known?
No, it could have a different name or label or NO label/name and so would not be known, it would then just be an experience.
Good. Exactly.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:46 am

Does the sense of self have a location?
Yes, the parameter of the apparent body.


Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
A body shape, but I can't feel a size.

Let's do a couple of body pointers to clarify these. .



Introductory Body Exercise

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes. Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is? Does the body have a weight or volume? In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly? If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:47 pm

Thank you for the feed back and guidance.
Can it be known how tall the body is? Does the body have a weight or volume? In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
No to all of these. A sense of weight was experienced for a period of time during the exercise but then this left so it cannot have a weight. There was just a general awareness during this exercise.
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
No set boundary can be established. There was a sense of my jumper touching my arm at one point but when I moved the awareness to another part of the 'body' there was no sense of the jumper.
Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly? If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?
There is no inside or outside. It is not possible to know where one 'thing' stops and the next begins.
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
It refers to an 'experience' of a separate self.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:45 am

Good, but...
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
It refers to an 'experience' of a separate self.
Actual Experience means...

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)




So, is there an Actual Experience of the body?

Or only thinking says so?


Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:42 am

Ohh yes of course thank you!
So, is there an Actual Experience of the body?

Or only thinking says so?
It’s all just thinking, evening noticing the AE is still based upon thoughts noticing the experience.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:42 pm

Great. Now a little further...



Deeper Body Investigation

Here is an even deeper investigation of the body. Please follow each step, don't leave out any. Take your time. Don't move to the next step until the previous one is clearly seen. Repeat the exercise several times.

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations labelled ‘body’.

(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror while still paying attention to the sensations. Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror? Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?

(3) While still paying attention to the sensations move one hand and observe the movement from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’? Or only thoughts suggest it?

(5) Now, pay attention only to the image in the mirror. Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’? Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all? Or are there only colours and shapes?

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen. Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

(8) Start to walk slowly.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any locowing,

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:12 pm

(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror while still paying attention to the sensations. Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror? Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?
There is no connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror. Just the thoughts suggest this, as the seeing of blinking happened there was a thought to label that blinking was happening.
(3) While still paying attention to the sensations move one hand and observe the movement from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?
No there was no connection, no felt sensation could be pin pointed to connect the two.
(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’? Or only thoughts suggest it?
There is no connection, only the thought labelling 'seeing movement of the hand' suggests a connection.
(5) Now, pay attention only to the image in the mirror. Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’? Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all? Or are there only colours and shapes?
There is no suggestion that the image is 'me' or 'my body' - the only thing that suggests this is the thought that 'remembers' that it is. Nothing suggests it's a body at all other than the thought which labels it as 'a body'. They are just colours and shapes.
(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen. Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?
Only thoughts and mental images suggest this.
Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?
Only awareness of sensations. There is no 'body' anywhere.
Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?
There are just sensations.
There is no AE of walking at all just the - sound and sensation of feet touching the ground.
And yes thoughts about walking
Just thoughts about the body can be found
No such thing as 'walking' can be found.
(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any locowing,
There is only an image that is labelled 'room' and sensations which appear that are not localised.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:24 am

Yes.

How does it FEEL to see all of this?

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:56 pm

It’s amazing, liberating for sure. To see that it’s all in the mind and all based upon thoughts. This really does give us the power to change our perception in every moment.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby rav7 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:00 pm

With regards to the feeling, there is no feeling about this, a neutrality.

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Re: Guidance to see its all just happening

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:54 pm

So, is "amazing, liberating" related to a Sensation?

Loving,
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