Feet first (or should it be head first?)

[jrm72]

V,

Getting to the pure sensation has proved to be completely elusive today.
Two issues -

1, Thoughts wouldn't completely go away.

2, There's an underlying belief that any sensation must contain information. (When I finally get there, we shall see)


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

Hey James,

Getting to the pure sensation has proved to be completely elusive today.
Thoughts wouldn't completely go away.

Explain how thoughts interfered with seeing the sensations.

There's an underlying belief that any sensation must contain information.

Oh, is this how you avoided experiencing the sensation? you kept a story about a sensation (that it does contain information) going around and around thus not able to focus on anything but it.
Is this right?

vince

[jrm72]

Hey Vince,

Oh, is this how you avoided experiencing the sensation? you kept a story about a sensation (that it does contain information) going around and around thus not able to focus on anything but it.
Is this right?

Basically yes. I would have probably padded out the explanation with much more waffle 🤣🤣🤣





This is becoming mildly frustrating. Focussing on a sensation shouldn't be this elusive.


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

Focussing on a sensation shouldn't be this elusive.

Take this literally.. It's thoughts and only thoughts that is getting in the road. Nothing else.
That's where you start.
When you can identify what is thought, then you move on to the next step.
That is it's not the thought that is getting in the road. it is the belief in that thought.
This means that when that is recognized that thoughts can keep happening but we no longer are submissive to their demand for engagement.

love

[jrm72]

Focussing on a sensation shouldn't be this elusive.
Take this literally.. It's thoughts and only thoughts that is getting in the road. Nothing else.
That's where you start.
When you can identify what is thought, then you move on to the next step.
That is it's not the thought that is getting in the road. it is the belief in that thought.
This means that when that is recognized that thoughts can keep happening but we no longer are submissive to their demand for engagement.

Thanks for the tip, let's see what happens.


J❤️

[jrm72]

Hey V,

Getting to grips with the first layer of thoughts that regularly intrude.
The layer of thoughts behind those is currently invisible.
Will keep looking.

J❤️

[vinceschubert]

'evening James,

The layer of thoughts behind those is currently invisible.

You don't have to hunt for them. Just wait in ambush...

love

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

The layer of thoughts behind those is currently invisible.
You don't have to hunt for them. Just wait in ambush...

Love the ambush idea.






Noticing every sensation has a whole host of thoughts attached to it.




J❤️

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Over the last day have noticed that the boundary between any sensation and its attached thoughts, is so blurry, its hard to tell them apart.


J❤️

[jrm72]

Nappy Yew Hear ❤️

[jrm72]

I'm finding, when any thoughts come into my head, if I say it's only a thought (which I know is another thought) it at least helps with handling the fallout of the first thought.


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

Good evening James,

I'm finding, when any thoughts come into my head, if I say it's only a thought (which I know is another thought) it at least helps with handling the fallout of the first thought.

Ok, I imagine that you are at war with thoughts. They are not the bad guys.
for the next couple of days I want you to allow whatever thought happens to happen.
As an observer, I want you to consider each time you remember to do it, consider your relationship with your thoughts. Not from mind, but describe how you feel about them as they happen.

vince

[jrm72]

Hello Vince,

consider your relationship with your thoughts. Not from mind, but describe how you feel about them as they happen.

Will do.



J❤️🖖

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

consider your relationship with your thoughts. Not from mind, but describe how you feel about them as they happen.

My relationship with my thoughts is very varied and, at times, heavy with emotion.

Sometimes I'm not sure what comes first, the sensation, the emotion or the thought.
I know the sensation must come first, but sometimes everything is so quick and mashed together, I can't tell one from the others.

Perhaps best put simply as - "good" thoughts make me smile, "bad" thoughts make me frown.
And yes good and bad are concepts created by other thoughts. So it's all bullshit on bullshit in my head.


J❤️🤣

[vinceschubert]

Good evening James,

My relationship with my thoughts is very varied and, at times, heavy with emotion.

his is a critical point(er). There's nothing wrong with whatever comes up.
Although in the background is an idea that we are better off without this happening. Leave it in the background.
If it comes to the foreground, then that is ok too. Just remind yourself that it's not the issue.
What is (the issue) is how you respond to it.
What you respond to it with, is not the issue. It's your attitude towards the response that is.
The most adaptive attitude is one of curiosity.
Being in discovery mode.
Wondering what might reveal itself...

You might need to read this post a couple of times to grok it.

much love

vince