Feet first (or should it be head first?)

[jrm72]

It just needs a little quiet to recognize it.

J🤐🤣

[vinceschubert]

& love

[jrm72]

Morning Vincent,


Quiet and love.

A good combination.


J♥️🤗

[vinceschubert]

Quiet and love.

A good combination.

Do you feel something when you think of them?

Direct that towards James.

Are you experiencing patience?

[jrm72]

DE - Itchy throat, blocked nose, watery eyes.

Thoughts - stay in bed 🤣

Quiet and love.
A good combination.
Do you feel something when you think of them?

Yes, a peacefulness.

Direct that towards James.

Will do.

Are you experiencing patience?

There is an element of patience.





J♥️🖖

[vinceschubert]

Just consider that just as you don't know what you don't know, you also don't know what you do know. (until it is required)
You have what you need to wake up.
That peacefulness and patience is the river upon which you float into wakefulness.

with love

vince

[jrm72]

you also don't know what you do know. (until it is required)

Interesting

You have what you need to wake up.
That peacefulness and patience is the river upon which you float into wakefulness.

Beautiful





J❤️🖖

[jrm72]

DE - Only slightly stuffy nose.

Thoughts - On the mend.



Latest conundrum - How to float lightly without sinking under the weight of wanting to float lightly.



J❤️🤣

[jrm72]

Have no idea what to post today, not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

J❤️🖖

[vinceschubert]

Is good & bad more than a concept?

[vinceschubert]

good evening James, give me a line or two of description about your experience of the following;
The existence of a self running the show.
choice
decisions
intent
responsibility

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Is good & bad more than a concept?

Yes, concepts all the way.

give me a line or two of description about your experience of the following;
The existence of a self running the show.

My "self" no longer seems to run the show. It seems to sit in the background and claims it runs the show after the fact. "It" also gets embarrassed or angry etc, when things don't go the way it wants (again after thefact).

choice

My "self" still thinks it has, and makes, choices.
Even though its obvious it doesn't.
Life happens, the self is the pain in my ąŕ§ĕ.

decisions

Choices and decisions, pretty much the same.
Things happen, then my "self" claims it made a choice, after the happening has happened.
I feel like I makes Choices and decisions some of the time, but realise my choices and decisions couldn't have been anything other than what they were. So no real choice or decision was made.
But the delusion of agency still persists.

intent

The only intent I've ever had was to get my degree. The rest of my life has been totally haphazard.
Intent, decisions, choices - all the same thing, my delusion of agency.

responsibility

I suppose it is possible to not be running the show, not make decision or choices, have no intent, and somehow still be responsible, for that's how it feels. But as with all these question, what's obviously true (no decisions, choices, intent, responsibility) is not my lived experience.

I remember reading somewhere that all the teachings (about awakening) mean nothing until you experience them for yourself (which is an ironic turn of phrase).
Perhaps better put as not experiencing the teaching but somehow being the teaching.



J❤️

[jrm72]

Hello Vince,

I'm sitting here looking at our Christmas tree, and it and me, appear to me as two separate things.
So currently still lost in duality.

DE - seeing all the elements that end up with the label Christmas tree.
DE - hearing a gurgling noise that ends up with the label dishwasher emptying
DE - feeling pressure on my elbow, backside and legs that ends up with the label sitting.


J❤️🖖

[vinceschubert]

Good evening James,

It seems to sit in the background and claims it runs the show after the fact.

Because I want to help you recognize the difference between what is conceptual and what is actual, I want you to notice how that statement is Not actual.
To be accurate (and literal), you would say "Thoughts arrive claiming ownership. Some sensations happen."

"It" also gets embarrassed or angry etc, when things don't go the way it wants

Feelings labelled embarrassment or anger happen. The story of why is because it doesn't get what it wants."

Life happens, the self is the pain in my ąŕ§ĕ.

Self = pain in arse is life happening.

the delusion of agency still persists.

It's only a delusion if you believe it. An illusion is when your senses inform you incorrectly. (and you know it)

(no decisions, choices, intent, responsibility) is not my lived experience.

Yes it is. As is the illusion of agency. It's just that you are focussing on the illusion more.
Are there moments when you feel confident that you could trust that life will deliver...?

Perhaps better put as not experiencing the teaching but somehow being the teaching.

That's too difficult. Just experience life-ing.

with love

vince

[jrm72]

Thank you for your great reply Vince.

Busy day here.

Will respond properly tomorrow.


J❤️🖖