Revisiting the past

[Onlyanegg]

What is this indescribable “I” that has this abilitiy – to identify with thoughts? What is outside of thoughts and does that? LOOK

You say to look, but how? I feel like I am looking. What is this, who is experiencing this, who am I, what is Mu? Who is on this journey, etc, etc,etc....this preoccupation of my whole life, in and out of monasteries, temples, jungle huts etc...always asking these same questions.
I just don't know how to look. I'm sorry. It should be easy to see the truth, but my mind is playing tricks on me. But thank you for pushing me to look a little bit harder, although I'm sure that doesn't really describe it either, effortless effort and all that.

Is there anything else, but thoughts, that sees/identifies with the “sense of me” and it is “not me”?

I haven't found any permanent me either, but also never experiences the sense of "seeing no-self" that seems to be a pretty universal sentiment among people who have finished this kind of inquiry.


Please describe it. You say calling it “awareness” is too much, what else can you call it? Is it indesribable like the "self"? Is it then just an abstraction? Just because that the thoughts are known does that mean there is a knower of any kind? Are there “unknown” thoughts? Do you see how ridiculous language is?[/quote]
Once it is described, labelled, categorized, it loses it's immediacy and becomes a museum specimen. Yes language has been seen to be ridiculous but useful for practical things, and an interesting folly for speculation.

Does it seem as though there is something of a partition to experience, by which there is a “me” portion and a “not me” portion?

Sometimes it seems like there is no inside or outside, no me-not-me. Other times it seems like a pretty solid sense of me, if only in thoughts.

Does it feel as though you take a subtle step back from experience, into your portion? Does there seem to be both an inner and an outer aspect to experience?

Not so much taking a step back as existing separately as a person, alienated from life.

Does it feel like you are awareness, consciousness, one with everything, or presence?

Sometimes it seems so clear, not sure what the right answer is, but it isn't just one thing happening most of the time.

Is there a subtle sense of comfort, stability or reliability in affirming your existence? Now, close your eyes and allow all thoughts and images to again fade. What happens to the sense of “I” or “me”? What happens to the sense of there being an inner and outer aspect to experience?[/quote]
Yes it is very comforting and it is the only real thing, this sense of self that persists. Losing it seems like an irreconcilable loss.

These questions are very deep and you just skimmed over them with knowledge (not looking). Please LOOK with them again, give them a proper chance! I hope I see some serious looking!

It has taken me a while to look at this. It seems to be the story for this imagined person, that of skimming the surface, being non-serious and a dilletante. I am trying to look deeper and get out of denial. But I don't want to take too long so I wil l submit this for now. Thank you for putting up with my poor attempts.
Love
Peter

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter

Looking is a matter of noticing what is already here, not inventing or imagining something. If I asked you to tell me what is behind your back right now, you could answer by doing one of two things: by thinking and remembering, or by turning your head around and actually looking back and describing what you see. If I ask you to look for your phone or keys, you would quite naturally, take a look and locate them. That’s how to look.
Looking is finding out what is true in experience. It is a nonverbal action of focusing attention on a target. Thinking is verbal—it is naming experience. Both work together as one mechanism. If you can’t see for yourself, you cannot describe it in your own words (but you can attempt to describe it using someone else’s words, from memory).

You say to look, but how? I feel like I am looking. What is this, who is experiencing this, who am I, what is Mu? Who is on this journey, etc, etc,etc....this preoccupation of my whole life, in and out of monasteries, temples, jungle huts etc...always asking these same questions.

Well maybe the truth is right in front of “you” - the absence of a self is in plain sight. You said you are not the one that talks (the narrator) nor the listener. Ask the narrator what it is. The silence is not the absence of an answer. Its message is simple: there is no one here. There is nothing fixed or solid there. Thoughts arise and pass away and happen to no one. LOOK again!
This funny video might be of help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXfltmzRG-g

I haven't found any permanent me either, but also never experiences the sense of "seeing no-self" that seems to be a pretty universal sentiment among people who have finished this kind of inquiry.

What exactly is the sense of "seeing no-self"? That sounds like an expectation. Is the self somehow replaced with a no-self??? I told you in the beginning:

Expectations cling to an idea of how it is supposed to go, which is not necessarily correct, and this is why I asked you to read the FAQ’s of what Liberation Unleashed is NOT. When realisation happens, it can be very subtle and if there are expectations of any kind, then it can be missed and the guiding becomes very difficult. I can promise you there will be no fireworks; it is just a subtle shift in perception!

Nothing has changed; yet everything appears different – just different story. No such thing as dramatic drum roll or fireworks—all that happens is that the story of self is seen for what it is: a story, a work of fiction. This has always been. It simply was left unchecked and taken for granted. The self is simply one great unchecked assumption that just needs one honest glance to be seen through. That is really all it takes, just one instant of really seeing it for what it is.

Please describe it. You say calling it “awareness” is too much, what else can you call it? Is it indesribable like the "self"? Is it then just an abstraction? Just because that the thoughts are known does that mean there is a knower of any kind? Are there “unknown” thoughts? Do you see how ridiculous language is?

Once it is described, labelled, categorized, it loses it's immediacy and becomes a museum specimen. Yes language has been seen to be ridiculous but useful for practical things, and an interesting folly for speculation.

AGAIN! Please answer each question separately with a report of looking, not philosophising!!! There are unanswered questions here…

Does it seem as though there is something of a partition to experience, by which there is a “me” portion and a “not me” portion?

Sometimes it seems like there is no inside or outside, no me-not-me. Other times it seems like a pretty solid sense of me, if only in thoughts.

If you noticed I used “seem” to ring a bell that this is not real but a story. So are you saying that sometimes there is a story and sometimes it doesn’t, OR…? The solution to the first one is just plain looking to see which is one is true. Simple! Also remember the analogy with a dead relative ( please reread if not) – sinking in of new ideas takes time. But does the appearance of these old ideas mean the relative is still alive/the self exists?

Does it feel as though you take a subtle step back from experience, into your portion? Does there seem to be both an inner and an outer aspect to experience?

Not so much taking a step back as existing separately as a person, alienated from life.

Please clarify! Can you see a border between the inner and outer aspect of experience? How is this really observed??? Not interested in "seems like" answers!

Does it feel like you are awareness, consciousness, one with everything, or presence?

Sometimes it seems so clear, not sure what the right answer is, but it isn't just one thing happening most of the time.

Are you awareness??? Does that give you a subtle sense of comfort in affirming your existence? So if the self doesn't exist you can be at least awareness?

Now, close your eyes and allow all thoughts and images to again fade. What happens to the sense of “I” or “me”? What happens to the sense of there being an inner and outer aspect to experience?

Yes it is very comforting and it is the only real thing, this sense of self that persists. Losing it seems like an irreconcilable loss.

Again no answer to the specific question! It almost seems that you are answering something else. However…
How can you lose something that never existed??? It’s not like the self died – it has NEVER existed. And before you say keeping it “if only in thoughts”, would you be here if your precious beliefs were worth keeping?
Life is like that soccer match with or without the commentary. The commentary is there but it does not affect the game it just adds to the experience. But there is also no experiencer to be spotted and desribed…
Love
Rali

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter
Are we still doing this?
Love
Rali

[Onlyanegg]

What exactly is the sense of "seeing no-self"?

I don't know exactly. I'm referring to the experience that many people report in these forums, and in non-duality pointing circles. I can understand intellectually that it is a trap, and that nothing that can be labeled an experience can happen.

Is the self somehow replaced with a no-self???

No self to be replaced means no no-self either.

Nothing has changed; yet everything appears different – just different story. No such thing as dramatic drum roll or fireworks—all that happens is that the story of self is seen for what it is: a story, a work of fiction. This has always been. It simply was left unchecked and taken for granted. The self is simply one great unchecked assumption that just needs one honest glance to be seen through. That is really all it takes, just one instant of really seeing it for what it is.

What can I do differently than waiting for that instant of recognition? I wake up every morning thinking bout this and go to sleep listening to non-duality podcasts. Maybe I'm missing something crucial in order to make that honest glance. But I can't seem to stop trying.

So are you saying that sometimes there is a story and sometimes it doesn’t, OR…? The solution to the first one is just plain looking to see which is one is true. Simple! Also remember the analogy with a dead relative ( please reread if not) – sinking in of new ideas takes time. But does the appearance of these old ideas mean the relative is still alive/the self exists?

In this case there is always a story of a self, and a story within a story of a person who can't see through it. A story about maybe having burned out the circuits of the brain responsible for having some kind of so called awakening.

Please clarify! Can you see a border between the inner and outer aspect of experience? How is this really observed??? Not interested in "seems like" answers!

No hard border...just imaginary, like everything else. Thinking about this makes me feel like my so called waking life is as much of a dream as my sleeping dream state life.

Are you awareness??? Does that give you a subtle sense of comfort in affirming your existence? So if the self doesn't exist you can be at least awareness?

In the story of experiences there is awareness, but in direct experience there is only what's happening here and now. It's fascinating how there seem to be new layers of memories added for every day of the story.

How can you lose something that never existed??? It’s not like the self died – it has NEVER existed. And before you say keeping it “if only in thoughts”, would you be here if your precious beliefs were worth keeping?

You cant lose something that never existed, except as a belief, like Santa Claus. No, I don't wish to keep any of my beliefs, nor would I be here if I was a true believer in anything in particular.

Are we still doing this?

Yes Please,
Love
Peter

[Onlyanegg]

What exactly is the sense of "seeing no-self"?

I don't know exactly. I'm referring to the experience that many people report in these forums, and in non-duality pointing circles. I can understand intellectually that it is a trap, and that nothing that can be labeled an experience can happen.

Is the self somehow replaced with a no-self???

No self to be replaced means no no-self either.

Nothing has changed; yet everything appears different – just different story. No such thing as dramatic drum roll or fireworks—all that happens is that the story of self is seen for what it is: a story, a work of fiction. This has always been. It simply was left unchecked and taken for granted. The self is simply one great unchecked assumption that just needs one honest glance to be seen through. That is really all it takes, just one instant of really seeing it for what it is.

What can I do differently than waiting for that instant of recognition? I wake up every morning thinking bout this and go to sleep listening to non-duality podcasts. Maybe I'm missing something crucial in order to make that honest glance. But I can't seem to stop trying.

So are you saying that sometimes there is a story and sometimes it doesn’t, OR…? The solution to the first one is just plain looking to see which is one is true. Simple! Also remember the analogy with a dead relative ( please reread if not) – sinking in of new ideas takes time. But does the appearance of these old ideas mean the relative is still alive/the self exists?

In this case there is always a story of a self, and a story within a story of a person who can't see through it. A story about maybe having burned out the circuits of the brain responsible for having some kind of so called awakening.

Please clarify! Can you see a border between the inner and outer aspect of experience? How is this really observed??? Not interested in "seems like" answers!

No hard border...just imaginary, like everything else. Thinking about this makes me feel like my so called waking life is as much of a dream as my sleeping dream state life.

Are you awareness??? Does that give you a subtle sense of comfort in affirming your existence? So if the self doesn't exist you can be at least awareness?

In the story of experiences there is awareness, but in direct experience there is only what's happening here and now. It's fascinating how there seem to be new layers of memories added for every day of the story.

How can you lose something that never existed??? It’s not like the self died – it has NEVER existed. And before you say keeping it “if only in thoughts”, would you be here if your precious beliefs were worth keeping?

You cant lose something that never existed, except as a belief, like Santa Claus. No, I don't wish to keep any of my beliefs, nor would I be here if I was a true believer in anything in particular.

Are we still doing this?

Yes Please,
Love
Peter

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter

I don't know exactly. I'm referring to the experience that many people report in these forums, and in non-duality pointing circles. I can understand intellectually that it is a trap, and that nothing that can be labeled an experience can happen.

This is exactly one of these expectations that come in the way. Everyone’s description of the experience is different because of previous conditioning. They all talk about the same experience (more or less) but their perception is different. You can’t experience their experiences the same way you can’t experience how they see the colour “RED”. We can talk until we turn blue and you still won’t have an idea. Don’t compare your descriptions to others, look at your experience – can you spot anything that is doing stuff – thinking, seeing, hearing, smelling…? And that is your answer. When you see that there isn’t but thoughts are saying otherwise which one is true? You said yourself that thoughts are not 100% true…

What can I do differently than waiting for that instant of recognition? I wake up every morning thinking bout this and go to sleep listening to non-duality podcasts. Maybe I'm missing something crucial in order to make that honest glance. But I can't seem to stop trying.

That is where the problem is – you expect this to come from “outside”, from “external” knowledge. You said every morning you wake up thinking about this, but instead you could be looking. You are not going to solve this by thinking. Thoughts are always out of step with reality, and they obstruct the clear seeing of how things actually are. Truth or reality is not an idea or a belief. It cannot be grasped by thoughts. It does not need to be understood by the intellect. Actually, it is impossible to understand through thoughts. It is inconceivable, ungraspable. And yet, it can be directly seen. You are seeing it already, just the mind says no; it’s like being used to one thing and expecting that to change. The problem with doubt is that it can’t be solved, it can only be dissolved. It happens when we see the beauty of just THIS – whatever is happening; not expecting it to be different, better, more spiritual, blissful, etc. Bliss, peace, joy are actually underneath all judgmental thinking, and it is available at any time. But to get here one needs to leave behind all problems, hopes, and expectations the same way we leave shoes at the door. Even though the mind is seeking peace, it feels that peace is threatening (to whom?). The mind creates expectations, as this is what it is used to doing; it’s a habit, an addiction. Expectations are the biggest obstacles to seeing this moment as it is.
Truth is seen by looking at experience, at what is actually happening right here, right now, in experience, underneath all thoughts.

In this case there is always a story of a self, and a story within a story of a person who can't see through it. A story about maybe having burned out the circuits of the brain responsible for having some kind of so called awakening.

There is comfort in these stories – they are familiar and cosy as they’ve been repeated so many times. They feel like a warm glove - the ones about the unsuccessful, the failure, uncapable of understanding things. But the funny things is that there is no owner of the story. It simply is telling itself. There is no narrator at home. So the only way to shake them off is to not engage with them – not wish them away, but just recognise them, see the pattern and smile with that recognition. Little by little a new habit will be born – of laughing at these stories instead of engaging with them.

Please watch the videos below, they deal exactly with doubtful thoughts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_8N331jpA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTyUspd7c3c

Love
Rali

[Onlyanegg]

Don’t compare your descriptions to others, look at your experience – can you spot anything that is doing stuff – thinking, seeing, hearing, smelling…? And that is your answer. When you see that there isn’t but thoughts are saying otherwise which one is true? You said yourself that thoughts are not 100% true…

I can't spot anything. Yet there is no relief from the seeking for something to be different and the looking persists. It seems to be all happening automatically at this point. I've given up the notion that I have any kind of free will...It is all just a process that is going on. The bundle of thoughts that I identitfy as me keeps going.

I'm not identfying with the stories as much, seeing it as something happening to a body in space, that belongs to an abstract sense of me, which is just an idea. Is an idea a thing? Is it in direct experience. I don't know. That's the answer for most of the questions. Is there a me? I don't know. I wouldnt even have questioned it before.

You said every morning you wake up thinking about this, but instead you could be looking. You are not going to solve this by thinking

I will try looking.

Thank you for the videos I am watching them.

Love
Peter

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter

I can't spot anything. Yet there is no relief from the seeking for something to be different and the looking persists. It seems to be all happening automatically at this point. I've given up the notion that I have any kind of free will...It is all just a process that is going on. The bundle of thoughts that I identitfy as me keeps going.

What you can try is just notice expectations/seeking as they arise and see how they hold an image of how it should be in contrast to how it is. Feel the gap. Notice the tension that is connected to the wanting things to be different. Feel the sensation. Just notice that there is something that resists something. If you sense frustration and tension, locate them in the body. Feel them, let them be okay for a minute. Watch them, make friends with them, and feel them fully, openly, and simply... Feel!!! Say yes to whatever is here. So be it. It is here already. It is here with and without your acceptance and approval, you might as well fully experience it. Please let me know what was observed...

I'm not identfying with the stories as much, seeing it as something happening to a body in space, that belongs to an abstract sense of me, which is just an idea.

Great!!

Is an idea a thing? Is it in direct experience. I don't know.

An idea is a thought. Thinking is DE but its content is not. The content is some kind of experience but not a direct experience. We’ve been through this.

Is there a me? I don't know. I wouldnt even have questioned it before.

You don’t “know” if there is a self or not, you look for one. Only thoughts “know” stuff :) Looking reveals what is here and what is not. It’s really that simple!

Thank you for the videos I am watching them.

Please let me know what resonated with you the most
Love
Rali

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter
Are we still doing the inquiry? I notice this pattern of me nudging you all he time. Is you determination still "10"?
Love
Rali

[Onlyanegg]

Are we still doing the inquiry? I notice this pattern of me nudging you all he time. Is you determination still "10"?

I still feel like it is a full time job, but not sure about the determination. Seems like according to the Zen Masters you must feel like you have swallowed a red hot iron ball you cannot swallow or spit out. I have felt like that in the past but lately it's more of a persistent feeling that there is something unsolved about my human condition. I'm sorry that it takes me long to reply It seems like a lot of it gets stuck in my head, like everything else about this inquiry.
I start replying then stop and ponder. I want you to know how much I value your time and effort. Thank You Again.
Love
Peter

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter

I have felt like that in the past but lately it's more of a persistent feeling that there is something unsolved about my human condition. I'm sorry that it takes me long to reply It seems like a lot of it gets stuck in my head, like everything else about this inquiry.

That’s because you still trying to solve it with thinking/pondering about it instead of looking. It’s simple, what is there when you check the senses, while ignoring/not engaging with thought content/pondering about the questions. If you have two opposing views of reality, the only thing to do is to look and check which one is truer, not pondering about it.

If you still want to continue, please reply to my previous post and let’s pick up the pace. Otherwise, please let me know if you are giving up and there is no seriousness and determination, as there are a lot of people still waiting for a guide.

Love
Rali

[Onlyanegg]

Yes I would like to continue. I will make it a priority to reply quickly, even though that may mean shooting from the hip instead of pondering and over-thinking. It may be better that way.

What you can try is just notice expectations/seeking as they arise and see how they hold an image of how it should be in contrast to how it is. Feel the gap. Notice the tension that is connected to the wanting things to be different. Feel the sensation. Just notice that there is something that resists something. If you sense frustration and tension, locate them in the body. Feel them, let them be okay for a minute. Watch them, make friends with them, and feel them fully, openly, and simply... Feel!!! Say yes to whatever is here. So be it. It is here already. It is here with and without your acceptance and approval, you might as well fully experience it. Please let me know what was observed...

Yes I am seeing that things just come up outside my control. It seems I have accepted being a ok with whatever happens especially the frustration and tension.

Is an idea a thing? Is it in direct experience. I don't know.

An idea is a thought. Thinking is DE but its content is not. The content is some kind of experience but not a direct experience. We’ve been through this.

Seems that being stuck in ideas and thoughts is whats happening. I will try turning my attention to the space where the thoughts seem to be arising.

Is there a me? I don't know. I wouldnt even have questioned it before.

You don’t “know” if there is a self or not, you look for one. Only thoughts “know” stuff :) Looking reveals what is here and what is not. It’s really that simple!

Also hasn't been seen one way or another. I will keep looking.

One of the "problems" seems to be that I keep telling myself that "I" am on the verge of seeing something. Some kind of revelation, a pop, a satori. Just another expectation seen through as another thought story.

Also, a recurring thought seems to be that If i get "help" from you or from any teacher, pointer, guide, guru or whomever...that it will be a thing, imparted, and not a real recognition of no-self. Many of the gurus say that there is no practice that can help, nor no way to stop whatever this is.

Thank you for the videos I am watching them.
Please let me know what resonated with you the most

I have always seen doubt as my constant companion. I was skeptical of true believers and saw doubting as an antidote to that. I never saw it as a "fetter". When she describes the very clear sensation of yes or no, I can say I never experienced that in direct experience, just in the story. I will see doubt as more of a story for now and not the truth.

Thank
You,
Love
Peter

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter

Yes I would like to continue. I will make it a priority to reply quickly, even though that may mean shooting from the hip instead of pondering and over-thinking. It may be better that way.

Good!

Seems that being stuck in ideas and thoughts is whats happening. I will try turning my attention to the space where the thoughts seem to be arising.

Seems???
Is there such a “place”? Where does thinking appear? Also what is being stuck in ideas and thoughts? Please LOOK! Tell me exactly what you see

Can a character of a “story” get unstuck of the story? Can an illusion do anything?

One of the "problems" seems to be that I keep telling myself that "I" am on the verge of seeing something. Some kind of revelation, a pop, a satori. Just another expectation seen through as another thought story.

Seems???
Yes, enlightenment expectations are the biggest obstacle to seeing the simplicity of THIS. What is here to be awaken? What is here that is asleep now? Again, there is no destroying, or dissolution that would leave a mark – things are happening exactly the same way they’ve always had. Have you been doing the being, or the noticing, or the thinking, or decision making, or anything for that matter? It's not like you were doing before but now you stopped :). What can change then, besides the description? Does the description affect THIS somehow or just comes along?
This is not something that “you” understand and awaken, the understanding aligns with what is seen. Therefore, the more looking, the more understanding. Sometimes the understanding/desciption can’t keep up and here comes doubt, but does the understanding affect in any way what is happening? The key understanding here is that ALL thinking content is empty/fictional. This "wisdom" is confirmed every time there is a check on the story vs reality. That is why doubt will sooner or later disappear with understanding “catching up” to reality :) If I say STOP doubting, can you stop? It's not something that you do the same way you can't get stuck in stories. The only thing that can stop doubt is more looking.

Also, a recurring thought seems to be that If i get "help" from you or from any teacher, pointer, guide, guru or whomever...that it will be a thing, imparted, and not a real recognition of no-self. Many of the gurus say that there is no practice that can help, nor no way to stop whatever this is.

Seems??? All these "seems" need to be checked :)
That is why we have guides here not teachers. THIS cannot be taught, it can only be pointed to. It is indescribable but experienceable. Forget the gurus, the teachers and even the guides! Check what is truly here! You cannot experience what they’ve experienced any way. Are there “gurus” and “teachers” in DE? How are they experienced? Really! What is the experience of a “guru” in DE?

I have always seen doubt as my constant companion. I was skeptical of true believers and saw doubting as an antidote to that. I never saw it as a "fetter". When she describes the very clear sensation of yes or no, I can say I never experienced that in direct experience, just in the story. I will see doubt as more of a story for now and not the truth.

Can it be anything else but a story in DE? Is there anything like a doubting/defending ability or mechanism in DE, or just thoughts? If there is no self to be protected, what is the purpose of doubt? What is there that needs to be defended and the truth deflected when it comes to inquiring into whether we are what we think we are?

Also hasn't been seen one way or another. I will keep looking.

Really??! So you’ve been seeing entities that do things? Please give a description! You will never see how things are (there is no description) but you can always see what is not here

Love
Rali

[Onlyanegg]

Is there such a “place”? Where does thinking appear? Also what is being stuck in ideas and thoughts? Please LOOK! Tell me exactly what you see

I don't see anything. More stories about the place where dreams are born. More illusions to cut through.

Can a character of a “story” get unstuck of the story? Can an illusion do anything?

No, the illusory me of the story can't do anything. More stories, which are just thoughts.

What is here to be awaken? What is here that is asleep now? Again, there is no destroying, or dissolution that would leave a mark – things are happening exactly the same way they’ve always had. Have you been doing the being, or the noticing, or the thinking, or decision making, or anything for that matter? It's not like you were doing before but now you stopped :).

No, I haven't been doing anything because I can't find a me that is separate from life just happening to do anything at all.

What can change then, besides the description? Does the description affect THIS somehow or just comes along?

I am trying to be careful to use non-duality speak so as not to say "seems-like." But how could a description affect anything. It is after the fact, like the blind men and the elephant.

Does the understanding affect in any way what is happening?

No...or only to the extent that thoughts are part of what is happening in direct experience, which is to say not affecting it at all.

If I say STOP doubting, can you stop?

No, I cant stop. however, my perspective on the usefulness of doubt has changed a bit. That is also part of this happening.

Are there “gurus” and “teachers” in DE?

No gurus, teachers, just what's happening.

How are they experienced?

Sensations, being, thought-stories.

What is the experience of a “guru” in DE?

At this moment, the guru is just a thought-story about reading a lot of books and meeting a few people in real life who were thought to be advanced beings of sorts.

Can it be anything else but a story in DE? Is there anything like a doubting/defending ability or mechanism in DE, or just thoughts? If there is no self to be protected, what is the purpose of doubt?

I am looking and see nothing but thoughts. Doubts are thoughts and so is the sense of certainty. It was a little moment of certainty in the story that I clung to for years. No self means nothing to protect.

What is there that needs to be defended and the truth deflected when it comes to inquiring into whether we are what we think we are?

Nothing else needs to be defended or protected. There is a story about the ego protecting a physical body but even that is just sensations of sight, colors,fear....maybe nothing is left to believe in.

So you’ve been seeing entities that do things?

Also, no entities, no-doer, just more thoughts and beliefs. This seems like a little bit of insight, for no one.
I wrote this in one sitting, on the fly. Apologize for any omissions.
Thank you
Love,
Peter

[poppyseed]

Hi Peter

It “seems like” things are getting clearer :)
Is there anything else that you want to inquire together? Is there still seeking?

How is life these days?

Love
Rali