I would like to work with mark_tywharton, please.

[mark_tywharton]

Hi Mark....this morning....


Me exists in the 'form' of a thought (me is only a thought ) - there isn't in existence an actual entity "me/self/I" that is other than, separate from this world of appearances/experiencing. There is only the one appearance/one experiencing. There are not billions of human beings having experiences, there is only One Consciousness 'as if' seeing/experiencing through the 'apparent' lives of billions of 'human beings.' There are not billions of separate experiences, there is only the ONE EXPERIENCING.

Yes and no, that is a very Eastern philosophical idea. Is life conscious?

Life -as if -places its attention/consciousness upon the appearances and takes those appearances to be the only reality, as though forgetting that it is in fact the very life of the appearances and 'no matter' what may appear as that world of appearances it has absolutely no effect upon the LIFE that gives rise/life to the appearances.

There isn't an "i" that sees any of this, there is simply the appearance of an apparent human being doing so, or appearing to have the experience. All is one appearance, appearing IN THE SEEING/PERCEVING of it.

Like a dream appearing in the dreamer. The appearances appear IN the SEEING/PERCEVING of them. There is only the SEEING-PERCEVING.

Mark, Your 'insistence' :) that there be a looking 'behind' the feelings was what 'appears' now as the change/shift/ of perspective - not from the illusion of an imagined separate I/me/self but, from the Seeing that the illusion of that imagined i appears in the Seeing - the attention had always been on the thoughts about the thoughts, but not really on where those thoughts were appearing, I mean not REALLY.

And seeing? what is seeing? who is doing it? how does it happen?

Prior to any meaning being attached to the experience.

Simple as that - once it's recognised of course!

The experiencing itself, as it is.

Life is happening here now.

If the seeing is from an imagined i then that seeing sees the world as a world of separate things, it sees only separation, there is then a belief that I am separate, as is 'everything else'. When the seeing is from the space that there isn't in fact any separation anywhere, simply this present happening now as one whole completeness, then that is what is seen.

There is the capacity for the presence of thoughts, creating and imagination and feeling of there being an actual separate i, there is also the capacity for the seeing of the illusion of that imagined i.

LIfe is the very life of appearance, without that mysterious 'something' there cannot exist any appearance/
experiencing, life is the life/light of experiencing itself.

To continue with this attempt at trying to put it into words is going round in circles...all getting lost in translation. :)


Mark...thank you for all the pointing/guiding, this has been a wonderful experience....seeing through the illusion!

With much gratitude,
Phil.

Okay, so can you confirm have seen through the illusion of the I?

Can you describe how it feels to see this in detail please?

Thanks

[Sanna]

Hi Mark,

And seeing? what is seeing? who is doing it? how does it happen? Okay, so can you confirm have seen through the illusion of the I? Can you describe how it feels to see this in detail please? Thanks

Being is seeing, seeing is being, there is only this Life Present as it Is.

There isn't anyone or anything that is doing the Seeing - Seeing is happening.

All there is is the Seeing/Being/Life/God/Presence/Now.

The realization that there isn't a me that can or is doing anything is what it's all about, that's what get's seen. It is seen not by the non existent me, the Seeing is happening, manifesting/appearing in the 'form' of a human being that is seeing. That Is Seeing.

There isn't a me that can say - let it all be as it is. There is the seeing/realization that there is only Being as it Is. This seeing is what is here as the 'realisation'.

There is the sensation of relaxation/relief, no more struggling to find or to know something, or even to lose anything, all is as it is. There is the presence of the seeing of that. (I) never did a thing and (I) never will. Light as a ballon being carried on the Wind.

Do 'you' want 'me' to say that 'I' am seeing, well, there isn't any individual, actual person saying this, or that can say anything, those words (sounds) that appear to be spoken or heard or interpreted they are Life itself. Life is being it all. Life Is Saying This.

ALL THAT IS HAPPENING IS LIFE.

There isn't an I that can know that it is Life/Reality, there is only this direct experience, this experience isn't being experienced by anyone or anything, there is simply the presence of this experience.

There isn't a mind that can see This, the mind- a succession of thoughts - can only descibe the past or imagine the future, thoughts cannot actually know anything about right now, that is not the function of thought, just as it is not the function of the eyes to hear or the ears to see.

Can an eye really see, can the brain really 'do' any translating, this can go on forever, whats behind the eyes, what's behind the functioning of the brain, on and on, its all just happening, but appearing as this and that, but the capacity for all of this experiencing cannot be got at, there isn't anyone here to get at it, it's simply here. There isn't 'anyone' now or ever that can truly say what This is. This cannot give a description of itself, it is beyond a description, the Silent Aware Space of no description.

LIFE is unfolding as the appearance of a human being apparently seeing that there isn't an actual me and that instead there is simply this Capacity for experience....WHATEVER THAT IS.


This sensing experience, Here it Is- Feel It!

Seeing what's happening here - Present Here.

[Sanna]

Continuation of the earlier post -

Appearances/experiences point to the very existence of that which is prior to the appearances/experiences - to that which is aware of 'them.'

They appear in Awareness, but are NOT separate from it, plain old (well, always new-now) Seeing.

There are the feelings and thoughts - that there is a me, but it's the seeing that that is what me is , the feeling and the thoughts. No actual separate thing me.

There is the seeing of that, there is the awareness of those feelings and thoughts. The Seeing is always seeing, the feelings and thoughts are in the Seeing.

The Seeing is always here prior to the appearances/experiences.

So all there is is the Seeing. THE ACTUAL ALWAYS SEEING RIGHT HERE - SEEING.