Awakening

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Re: Awakening

Postby gmalen » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:05 pm

Harry,

Happy these words are supportive, enjoying your reflections.
I was at the convention today speaking with hundreds of dentists and received a lot of acknowledgment from people I have trained. It was really satisfying and I could see how much my ego really liked all this.
Go 'Harry'! So innocent and human to love this affirmation. All this apparently complex selfing / mind stuff comes down to a very core longing - "'I' want to be loved, to belong, to be happy." Your ego 'got this' at the convention, it felt great, nothing wrong with that, innocent and human.. Oh, you are still human, right? lol.. Or are you turning into some ascetic yogi in the himalayans upon seeing through this self stuff??

As I've shared before, this is freedom WITH, not freedom FROM. I spent years in Buddhist practice trying to strip away my humanness b/c I was afraid of it. I hated these fierce animal desires for sex, food, relationship, belonging - they were too strong, they'd take the wheel and the controlling separate self would seemingly lose the control it never had. How maddening! 'I' was afraid. 'I' was a scared child.

My image of awakening was the ultimate composure/control. Walking around slowly like a buddhist monk, no desires for anything at all, a tempered, care-free, wise demeanor.. But we know better now, Harry. With true surrender, love comes to replace the rejecting, self critical tendencies, like 'how could i possibly not love this??'. Because it is what is. Love is the currency of nature.

Food for thought,
Gunnar

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Re: Awakening

Postby hball » Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:47 pm

Hi Gunnar. Just to let you know I’ve returned late from the convention and I will be writing tomorrow

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Re: Awakening

Postby gmalen » Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:37 pm

Harry,

Here at LU, we offer 'final questions' when someone appears to have crashed the gate. I share your answers with other guides to get their feedback or confirmation in case we've missed something. So if you feel ready, take a rip at these Q's:

1. Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2. Explain in detail what the illusion of a separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3. How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4. What was the last bit that pushed you over, that made you look?

5. Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6. Anything to add?




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Re: Awakening

Postby hball » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:17 am

1. Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

A. Whenever I stop and look, it is obvious that there is no separate self. There is only being, and everything, including my body, simply appears in it. This is clearly always been the case that I what have taken myself to be is just a conglomeration of thoughts. There is no fixed entity, and those thoughts, feelings, and sensations are subject to ongoing change.

2. Explain in detail what the illusion of a separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

A separate self is constructed from thoughts and beliefs. It also seems like this separate self can make things happen and has agency. But in reality, life is lived in the present moment, and all that is happening are thoughts and impulses that push in one direction or another depending on conditions that are out of my control. Yet the mind can kick in, creating a separate self and labelling it as good or bad, depending on the outcome.


3. How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

A. There is a great deal more equanimity. Any reactions, stresses and anxieties just move through quickly and don’t have the potential to affect my mood, and there is more peace, harmony and acceptance in my relationships. There’s also greater appreciation of all the things that I have in my life as well as enjoying the beauty of my surroundings.
There is also greater wisdom and understanding of myself and others and better choices, which are more likely to enhance my well-being.

What is particularly liberating is that the seeking is over. I know that no one has the answers for me, or there is some knowledge I need to acquire or a book I need to read. The path, or non-path, has become very clear, and it’s simply about seeing through the illusion of a self.

4. What was the last bit that pushed you over that made you look?

A. I don’t think in terms of being “pushed over”. I first experienced that my thoughts and beliefs weren’t telling me the truth when I did a personal development training in 1985. That was a shocking revelation to me, and it led me on a spiritual path. I read many books, meditated, went to retreats etc and over time, continued to evolve into a better version of myself.
I had come across no self in many of the different teachings, and while it felt inherently true was basically just a concept. Through my exposure to liberation unleashed and my dialogue with Gunnar, I started to experience this as a reality. The various exercises he set helped more deeply expose the unreality of thoughts and a greater ease in turning towards the awareness of what I am and what’s real.

5. Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

A. Behind decisions, intentions, and choices are thoughts. And those thoughts just pop up into my awareness. I have no control over the thoughts that come up and clearly can’t choose which thoughts to have. If I did why would so many of them be negative and lead to negative emotions? The thoughts can seem as if they are the purveyor of truth, and when I act on them, it creates the illusion that I have choice and can control and make things happen.
I have been fortunate to have achieved a fair bit in my professional life, with choice of partners and materialistically. While this can lead to feelings of some degree of superiority and inflated ego, the reality is there is no one that made that happen. It was a result of circumstances, including the “choice” of my parents, the good fortune of being born into a particular country and era, and times of being in the right place at the right time. Not things that a separate self can take credit for.

One of my favourite excuses these days for why I did something that didn’t turn out well was “it seemed like a good idea at the time”. I think there is a lot of truth to that being the best reason. This leads to acceptance and knowing there’s really nothing to regret or no one to forgive.


With regard to responsibility, I have come to understand that I am 100% responsible for how I feel and what I do. This is predicated on where I put my attention. In the past, I could blame other people, the world, or even luck for how I felt and how I acted.

It is clear that there is no one doing anything to me or making me do anything and responsibility means that it’s all emanating from me. And in actuality, there’s no me responsible for that.
In the way responsibility is normally used in society, then yes, I am responsible for my actions, and they can cause problems for others, and there are consequences.

I have noticed that there is another place from which actions come that is separate from the usual thoughts and seems to come from outside myself. From this place, decisions and actions taken lead to more love and harmony for myself and others.

6. Anything to add?

While I do understand that everything is happening as it should and in its own timeframe, there are times I think about the concept of a gate, and when I compare myself to others, I think I haven’t gone through it and wonder why I haven’t. I do recognise that these are only thoughts and can appreciate how fortunate I am with where I’m at and to be satisfied with the mystery of how things unfold.

In conclusion, I am extremely grateful for all the valuable work that LU does, particularly for Gunner’s skilful feedback, guidance and willingness to contribute.

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Re: Awakening

Postby gmalen » Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:12 am

Harry,

Here are some responses from other guides. Please examine their inquiries and respond again :)

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1)
Harry says "I have noticed that there is another place from which actions come that is separate from the usual thoughts and seems to come from outside myself. From this place, decisions and actions taken lead to more love and harmony for myself and others. "

Please ask Harry "What is this SEPARATE place? Where is the boundary that creates this separation? Where specifically is this place? Is love and harmony "here" incomplete without the love from "there"?"

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2)
"I have come to understand that I am 100% responsible for how I feel and what I do. ... responsibility means that it’s all emanating from me."
What do you mean by being 100% responsible?
What is emanating from you? Please explain.

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Thanks Harry,
Gunnar

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Re: Awakening

Postby hball » Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:04 am

1) Harry says, "I have noticed that there is another place from which actions come that is separate from the usual thoughts and seems to come from outside myself. From this place, decisions and actions taken lead to more love and harmony for myself and others. "

Please ask Harry, "What is this SEPARATE place? Where is the boundary that creates this separation? Where specifically is this place? Is love and harmony "here" incomplete without the love from "there"?"

A. It’s not a separate place. There are no boundaries to this “place”; however, the thoughts are distinct from the usual conditioned thinking. The conditioned thinking that conjures up a separate self does not lead to love and harmony, although this is always available through enquiry and where the attention goes.


2) "I have come to understand that I am 100% responsible for how I feel and what I do. ... responsibility means that it’s all emanating from me."
What do you mean by being 100% responsible?
What is emanating from you? Please explain.

A. What I mean by responsibility in this context is that no one made me feel a certain way. And no circumstance is to blame for any reaction I have. Circumstances trigger conditioned responses from the body-mind, and that is what I meant by “emanating from me”.

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Re: Awakening

Postby gmalen » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:43 pm

Thanks harry,

Appreciate the patience, just shared your responses with the other guides and we'll hear back shortly.

Blessings,
Gunnar

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Re: Awakening

Postby gmalen » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:57 pm

One guide replies:

Please ask him
re: "no one made me feel a certain way. And no circumstance is to blame for any reaction I have"
Can anyone/anything at all ever be blamed/responsible for anything at all? for feeling a certain way or having a certain reaction?

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Re: Awakening

Postby hball » Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:15 am

Thank you for this question.

A. There is no choice in the feelings, thoughts and reactions I have. They come on their own, and I can’t make them happen - all there is is noticing them. It seems that I have a choice in how I respond to them; however, the response is just another thought that comes up. This thought comes up by itself; however, there is another thought which says that I chose that response, and this keeps me locked into an identity when this mechanism is not noticed.

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Re: Awakening

Postby gmalen » Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:06 pm

Harry,

The other guides have confirmed your crashing of the gate.. As you know, this 'confirmation' doesn't do anything special... lol. Just keep your eyes open and clear, see what is happening and what is real. Trust your gut as this life and waking up thing unfolds. You might be like: "Deepen this??! But it's perfect, what's there to do!???" Trust that, enjoy it, soak in it. Or at some point you might be like: "Oh dang, The self is seen through but there's still reactivity and suffering. Something more needs to be done." And you'll know where to find resources for this when you're ready. Even so, the power and magnitude of no-one has brought you this far into the stream. Let the stream take you home, back to the ocean. It will.

You should be getting a private message from Nerina soon on this platform. She'll invite you to the FB group and send you off in the right direction. You'll find some direction, support, and inquiries for deepening realization in these FB groups. You can always reach out to me if something comes up at any point.

This thread will be archived here soon, but still accessible somewhere in the LU ethers.

A delight to journey with you, Harry.
Gunnar

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Re: Awakening

Postby hball » Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:21 pm

Dear Gunnar,
I can’t thank you enough for being such a valuable part of my journey. You have an extraordinary gift of not just clarity, but the ability to express it so articulately and in a way that hits the mark. I feel very privileged that you were my guide, and it deepens my belief that there are no coincidences,

You have guided me to a place where there is a recognition that nothing is missing and that is a very good place to “be”.

Thank you once again, Gunnar, for giving so much to me and I look forward to future contact


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