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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:21 am

Hi,

I know the new baby is affecting your schedule and those questions are a lot. You can take your time. They don't need long answers just clear succinct answers.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Here

Postby heijahup » Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:35 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, the me is a creation of the mind and its thoughts. It doesn't actually exist as thoughts are mere reflections of sensory input or other thoughts.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is when the mind takes the sensory experiences of the body and thoughts to be its own entity apart from all other entities that arise in awareness. I've learned the separate self starts to form at around 18 months of age, with conditioning from our parents, family, and society. From my own experience, the separate self works as a tool to do tasks and communicate with other-selves.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels like seeing something for the first time, something you've questioned before that's right in your face.
My understanding of what is happening has further developed as well as the ways to experience these phenomena in direct experience, I don't have to take others' word for it or their experience, I get to and have discover it directly in my own experience.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Maybe the sound inquiry, seeing that I don't have to do anything to experience sound, it just happens on its own, no hearer required.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
A decision is the result of the filters of perception giving us the experience that a separate entity has the power to choose one thing or the other. I decided to go to work today...
Describe intention & give examples from experience
Intention is the perceived expectation that we want from our thoughts and actions. I intend not to get in a car accident when driving a car.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Free will is the perceived ability of a separate entity to freely choose what it thinks and does. I choose to have lemonade instead of grape juice.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
To me, this is similar to free will but maybe instead of freely choosing something, I'm faced with a choice. At a wedding I was given the choice of a fish dish or a chicken dish, and I chose fish.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is the perceived ability to manipulate things in "me's" world. I control the speed of my vehicle with the gas and brake pedal.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don't know. They just seem to happen.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
I'm responsible for feeding our baby when he's hungry as I'm his parent and caregiver.
6) Anything to add?
6) Anything to add?
Just that I plan to keep inquiring and studying and feeling what's in my direct experience. I think I have further to go in levels of understanding, experiencing, clarifying, and integrating the insights I've experienced thus far.

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:15 pm

Good.

To clarify, when you say "perceived ability," do you mean that you don't really have the ability to do those things? (you don't)
I'm responsible for feeding our baby when he's hungry as I'm his parent and caregiver.
Are you sure? Or does that just arise like everything else? Why would this be different? LOOK

Your answers will be shared with other guides, who may have questions.

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~ Stacy

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Re: Here

Postby heijahup » Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:26 am

To clarify, when you say "perceived ability," do you mean that you don't really have the ability to do those things? (you don't)
I guess I mean it might seem like there's control and a me is doing those things, but that's all symbols and thoughts and it's all just happening.
Are you sure? Or does that just arise like everything else? Why would this be different? LOOK
I suppose the thought of a me feels responsible for feeding baby. It is just arising.

Is it that there's no I so "I'm" not responsible for anything?

Thank you, appreciate the guidance

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:14 am

Is it that there's no I so "I'm" not responsible for anything?
That's true, but it isn't a cause-effect. That not a "reason." We can't be responsible for what we don't control. It all just arises. Just is

I'll share your answers with other guides. Stay tuned.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:58 am

Josh, another guide has these questions:

I don't know if it's the wording or something else ... but just in case I have to ask:
"Just that I plan to keep inquiring and studying and feeling what's in my direct experience. I think I have further to go in levels of understanding, experiencing, clarifying, and integrating the insights I've experienced thus far."

Q: Is there still seeking?

What is outside of reality that needs to understand it, clarify it and integrate it?

What is it that awakening could happen TO?

Is there someone separate form THIS, waiting to wake up to reality?

What is separate from what is, and is trying to figure out how things are?
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Here

Postby heijahup » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:47 pm

Q: Is there still seeking?
Further clarifying, it could be labeled seeking I suppose.
What is outside of reality that needs to understand it, clarify it and integrate it?
Good point, there's nothing outside of reality. I'm probably still identifying with thoughts somewhat and thoughts of a separate me, just less so than a month ago.
What is it that awakening could happen TO?
Ahh yes, from where I'm at there are probably still feelings of awakening that will be happening to me, Josh.
If there's only awareness of what's happening, including a body and thoughts, does awakening just happen but not to or for anyone?
Is there someone separate form THIS, waiting to wake up to reality?
No, just thoughts around a someone, but thoughts are just thoughts, they're not a real.
What is separate from what is, and is trying to figure out how things are?
Nothing, it's just the thought of a separate self that sees itself as needing to figure out how things are.

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:23 am

If there's only awareness of what's happening, including a body and thoughts, does awakening just happen but not to or for anyone?
Yes.

And I no longer chase these questions down their philosophical rabbit holes. That just leads to making up stories.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:33 pm

Good morning,

Another guide has these questions:

I have questions about his answers:

'From my own experience, the separate self works as a tool to do tasks and communicate with other-selves.'

How can an illusion be a tool?

Don't tasks and communication happen without that illusion?

What is he absolutely responsible for?


Thanks!
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:43 am

One more set of questions:
>"feelings of awakening that will be happening to me, Josh."
Can you please ask: What is Josh?

I know you're busy with the new baby. Take your time. LOOK

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Here

Postby heijahup » Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:00 pm

How can an illusion be a tool?
In the relative world, the illusion relates to others and objects when I'm at work or doing daily life activities. I might be looking and not finding Josh, but others in the illusory relative world know the illusion as Josh. So in the sense that the illusion is going to work and doing things is what was meant by a tool, even though Josh isn't a separately existing entity, the illusion of Josh is relating to the relative world.
Don't tasks and communication happen without that illusion?
Yes. The illusion seems to only appear to be real because it's believed in, but that belief is just a thought, not something in direct experience.
What is he absolutely responsible for?
Nothing, because he's just a thought and not real and separate, anything thought to be something he is responsible for is just more thoughts about the illusion.
Can you please ask: What is Josh?
Josh is a thought label given to name a human being that I've been identifying with and as. Millions of thoughts have occurred about this thought label Josh, stories, hopes, opinions on matters, etc. All of those thoughts and narratives are branches and support structures for the mere thought of the label Josh, it's all thoughts and stories.

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:49 pm

Thank you, Josh.
~ Stacy

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:33 am

Good morning Josh

No more questions. We're complete here. You'll be receiving private message (top right) with me information.

You're also invited to the teleconferences if you want some post- awakening support.

There's a meeting with Vince today. Email vinceschubert@gmail.com for the link.

Loving,

Here are links to teleconferences & if you'll friend me on Facebook, I can invite you to the Fetter-Free group. I'm Stacy Clark in Colorado.


There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Meet up with vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday August 14

Sydney (est) Australia. 6 am right now
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
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Let him know if you want email reminders.
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Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

To register send Ilona an email to

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Looking forward :)


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Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Here

Postby heijahup » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:59 pm

Good morning Josh

No more questions. We're complete here. You'll be receiving private message (top right) with me information.
Thanks so much, Stacy for all the helpful guiding and pointing!

I'll take some time to look at the further continuation of communities and resources.

(:

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Re: Here

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:39 pm

My pleasure.

Much love,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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