clarity

[Aliya]

We have some traditional final questions.

Is that ok, if I answer during weekends? I will have more time to describe and make it clear for myself.

[Anastacia42]

Absolutely. At your convenience.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?



Your answers will be shared with other guides, who may have questions.

Much love,

[Aliya]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

I still experience it, but I can see clearly that its a linear story being hold true by belief.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

it is acting in belief that I am this person that has certain position in respect to everyone and everything else around and has some path to go through. In everyday life it starts few seconds after I wake up, also it gives me some strukture and kontext: like today is friday I have to do this and thaT OR during the day suddenly I get very involved and want to be understood right or explain my oppinion.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

Before I had few glimpses of jut being but my identification with tought was not clearly seen yet.I believed the thought of me and was sorting my thoughts which is me and which is not. After this dialogue I can see that belief "me" clearly. For example few days ago I missed my station and was running late, my thoughts were racing my body was trembling because the meeting was very important to me. But this time I also saw that thought of me being late and looking a bit like a fool was a story and in the reality I had to wait for another 10 min more to return. So it was much easier to accept the reality and calm down. I saw how exacly how my body would react when I start believing "oh my God I have to wait" and when I would say to myself, that all is just a story. I am is a story, what is happening is already happening. Before I would be nervous during the meeting and I would be scolding myself even after the event for being so foolish to miss it. And this time after I have realised that its all a story it doesnt bother me afterwards. I do not go on thingking about how and why and about doing it better next time etc. And that is huge relieve in my life.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

There were so many tiny moments, but during this dialogue the practice with a hand was very clear experience of "me the thought story" not having a control over whats happening.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Before the idea I have to make it right and make right decition for my career would leave me quite stressed. Since thougts couldnt manipulate future. Now I know that and also there is no me who has the career:) Either its happening harmoniously or its ok if it doesnt go the way it was planned. I will still feel some friction but the story wont hold me from being creative and helpful in other ways.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

I want to be a good person and want to be helpful, thats my intention, which sometimes frustrates me, because people dont get me. Now its ok, I still want to help but I do not go on nagging about why people do not get me because that is a story.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Free will is a freedom to choose of the person, that only exist as belief. If my career doesnt go as planned than there will be other things to do. Since there is no person, there is no discussion so to say, there is no one to choose.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

I still prefer apples better to kiwi. But thats through other conditions that played a big role before. I grew up somewhere with apple trees. There is no special someone or nothing special about apples.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

This is a situation that happened while we were having this discution. There was a wish: I want to make sure I have a great presentation. But there were no great ideas about how and what to present. So I feel a little unconfortable but I can let it be, before when I believed in me being in control I couldnt stand this kind of risk. I would make myself and everybody stressed untill I have a plan. And after there is clarity about a story, I kind of keep reminding "hey its just a story" and on last day I have an idea I make a plan. I present, its not great but I have a solid plan, and nothing catastrophic happened. I couldnt shine and show how great I was but also it was totally fine, neutral not to be the one with a great presentation.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

So many factors together make things happen, and its definitely not "me" in the head. It works on its own, "me" getting involved makes things only tight and limited.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

At the moment there are still bits and peaces of old programming playing here and there, so I am only resoponsible for being aware of those.

6) Anything to add?

I couldnt express how greatful I am for your time and guidance Dear Anastacia42. While I know I still have work to do because of trauma and emotional work, to have the clarity of belief "me" gives the space and I am not totally attached with it too. So I will continue with 10 fetters and would like to support this community and stay involved.

[Anastacia42]

Great.

To double check on Question 1, can you now say 100% that there's no su separate "self" and never has been? That is always only a thought story?

Loving,

[Aliya]

To double check on Question 1, can you now say 100% that there's no su separate "self" and never has been? That is always only a thought story?

yes, it was always a thought story. There is no seperate "self" and has never been.

[Anastacia42]

Thank you.

Stay tuned.

[Anastacia42]

Another guide has a question:

At the moment there are still bits and peaces of old programming playing here and there, so I am only resoponsible for being aware of those."

Is there "me" who is responsible for being aware of those? Why be responsible for this & not for everything over which we have no control?

Loving,

[Aliya]

Is there "me" who is responsible for being aware of those? Why be responsible for this & not for everything over which we have no control?

I wouldnt say it "me the doer" but more calm neutral awareness. Since there are times of great clarity and there are times of automated reaction and lots of mental chatter like "oh I need to get there on time or I do not want this", so I guess I do feel responsible for kind of watsching not controling but observing this mental chatter.

Thank you for your time!

[Anastacia42]

No more questions. We're complete here.

Please use our groups to keep looking & get support if needed.


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[Aliya]

Thank you so much! Happy to continue in Facebookgroups:)

[Anastacia42]

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Much love,