Working through the first three fetters & not identifying with not identifying!

[Aya23]

Hi Stacy,

Something shifted - while not having shifted at all because it became so obvious it was always there and is here now.

I opened a live video of someone I follow on social media who does breathwork and he was saying:

"We are going to set our intention for the day ahead. We are going to ask ourselves 'who would i like to be today?', 'which version of me would I like to show up?'. Connecting with yourself for a moment, a deep sense of self. Think about what would make today great. We have the power to choose how our day unfolds. We have a choice."

I immediately closed down the video. None of that resonated, especially after the pointer here to look at 'control'. My chest had tightened, my stomach churned, my head shook 'no' as I heard that. I saw the thought arise 'that is bs' in relation to what he said. I walked around picking up things from the floor and putting them back in their place, seeing the movements just happening without a plan or anyone / anything controlling them. I heard the sound of my laughter, laughing out loud.

I reached out for a notebook and caught sight of what I had written down a while ago: "I'd love to truly deepen my connection with myself". Why? WHY? I don't need to do anything. I don't need to seek anything. There is no 'self' to connect to! We are all constantly seeking, when there isn't even a "we", a "seeker" - it's illusion. This is so obvious right now.

I could tell by the sound of my own laughter that the thought of control is absurd. Then I saw my thought label 'mass illusion, mass suffering' and tears started flowing and again: a tight chest, head shaking, heaviness, crying. Mass suffering for nothing. All the seeking just adds onto the illusion that there is a 'self' to connect to. It's endless suffering to seek because nothing will be 'found'. There is nothing to find when all there is is actual experience. Then there was awareness of laughter, breathing, lightness and expansion. Wow.

With gratitude,

Aya

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[Aya23]

Yes, thought arising can refer to anything at all, but when senses are just content of thought & not Actual Experience, they're still content of thought & imaginary.

See the difference?

Yes, I see the difference.

Seeing that there is no self is like realizing that Santa Claus is a man in a red suit. It doesn't matter if he puts the suit back on, he still isn't real as Santa Claus. Hes just a man in a red suit.

Can you say 100% that there's no separate self anywhere?

Yes, 100%

If so, how does it feel to see this?

It feels true. Chest wide open, smooth breathing, relaxed shoulders.


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[Anastacia42]

There you go!

Now let's try those "final" questions again. You don't need to write a book - just simple succinct answers about what is seen in Direct Experience (not thinking or logic).

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Loving,

[Aya23]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

There is no separate entity 'self', 'me', 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form. There never was and never will be, simply.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of a separate 'self' is just that: an illusion. It's a lie, a made-up, imaginary agglomeration of thoughts and beliefs that the (non-existent) 'I' desperately wants to hang on to to give "itself" meaning and purpose, but there's nothing to hang on to at all and no meaning or purpose to be had.

The illusion of control contributes massively to believing in the illusion of a separate self. This isn't an individual illusion: a separate self cannot and does not exist for anyone. There's no separate self to identify with, to improve on, to heal, to grow, to love, to sabotage, etc. From birth we are given, told and shown labels, values, beliefs, and from there on 'self' is imagined and believed to be real. This couldn't be further from the truth and this is so clear, so obvious now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

This cannot ever be unseen now. It is so clear. It feels as the only truth there is, it feels light and open. There is no desire to control anything as there is nothing to control. Before we started this dialogue, I felt a fear of the unknown, fear of no longer identifying as anything and fear of unconditionally accepting that the "I" doesn't matter. This has fallen to make way for awareness of actual experience and awareness of thought arising. Also the clarity now when senses are just content of thought and not actual experience, they continue to be content of thought / pure illusion.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

It was hearing someone I follow on social media say:

"We are going to set our intention for the day ahead. We are going to ask ourselves 'who would i like to be today?', 'which version of me would I like to show up?'. Connecting with yourself for a moment, a deep sense of self. Think about what would make today great. We have the power to choose how our day unfolds. We have a choice."

I stopped watching it with a frown - none of it resonated. It was felt in the body: tight chest, churned stomach, head shaking 'no'. I walked around picking up things from the floor and putting them back in their place, seeing the movements just happening without a plan or anyone / anything controlling them. I heard the sound of my laughter, laughing out loud. "There is no 'self' to connect to", I said out loud. There is no choice to be made - there's only one certainty and that's knowing presence.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Decision is the illusion that there is a self that can make a decision that controls a narrative, or how life unfolds. There is no 'self' therefore there is no self to control and decide anything, only the illusion of a self existing that believes it is making decisions that will have a specific impact or outcome.

The "I" had a thought about deciding to either sell the house or renovate the house. The "I" had more thoughts about the pros and cons of both scenarios and set expectations - all of which are complete lies based off a self that thinks it has decision power that will change how life will unfold.

No decision changes the course of things. Life happens as it happens, "decision" or no "decision", thoughts or no thoughts. There's only knowing presence, simply.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Free will is the illusion that there is a self that thinks it has the freedom to think anything (control thoughts) and react/respond anything.

The "I" that had a thought about deciding to sell the house instead of renovating it, believes it was in charge of the thoughts that made that decision happen. These are just fantasies that the "I" creates. It appears that there is free will, when all there is is life happening. There's only knowing presence, simply.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Choice is the illusion that there is a self that has a thought about separate things and that choosing one over the other will have a better result, a better outcome in life. It appears that there is choice, but these are fantasies creating a separation in life.

The "I" that had a thought about selling or renovating the house believed that there were choices it was in control of. This is absurd as there is no separation in life. Life is one and happens as it happens. There's only knowing presence, simply.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

Control is the illusion that there is a self that is a controller that can change/control things and people by what the self does or says. The self believes that its thoughts control life.

The "I" that believes it had the choice to decide whether to sell the house or not has a thought about lowering the asking price in order to attract more buyers more quickly and sell the house as soon as possible. The "I" believes it has exercised control over this situation, one that will benefit the 'self' who appears to be in control over the sale of the house.

The reality is that there is no separate individual, and definitely not one that is controlling actions and outcomes. It just appears like that to the self and the self firmly believes it. There is just life happening as it happens and there's only knowing presence, simply.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

There is nothing or nobody that makes things happen. There is no way of working, there is just life happening. Only knowing presence and awareness of actual experience is what happens.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

There is only an illusion of the "I" being responsible. There is no "I" that is actually responsible for anything. Nothing and everything changes in life: all continues the same (drink water, scratch head, buy food, listen to music, touch face, etc), but the perception of reality is different: there is no controller, no chooser, no decision-maker, no free will that dictates anything about those happenings. There is just one life, happening now and there's only knowing presence, simply.

6) Anything to add?

Nothing, other than gratitude for your guidance.


Aya


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[Anastacia42]

This is one of the best set of replies I've seen. Your replies be shared with other guides who may have questions.

watch this space. And your private messages.

Loving!

[Aya23]

This is one of the best set of replies I've seen. Your replies be shared with other guides who may have questions.

watch this space. And your private messages.

Loving!

Noted & thank you, Stacy

[Anastacia42]

No one had questions. Our conversation here is complete. It has been a pleasure.

There are many ways to stay connected to others who see.

Also, here are links to teleconferences & if you'll friend me on Facebook, I can invite you to the Fetter-Free group, if you're in retested. I'm Stacy Clark in Colorado.


There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend,if you like.

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Meet up with vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday August 14

Sydney (est) Australia. 6 am right now
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Let him know if you want email reminders.
vinceschubert@gmail.com

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Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

To register send Ilona an email to

admin@ilonaciunaite.com

Looking forward :)


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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

Write to them for the next meeting.Ilona's is April 9th.

For Fetters:

Todd has teleconference group that meets - I think every 2 weeks. I can invite you to that group on Facebook where the notices are posted. What is your FB name?

There is also www.findingawakening.com but Christine has a waiting list.

And Kevin Shinilac has https://www.simplytheseen.com/ but I don't think he is guiding any more, although there are instructions on his site.


Much love,