Hi dear Charmain,
How are you? How does life unfold?
Any questions?
Love
Lubo
Hand on the gate
Re: Hand on the gate
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
Re: Hand on the gate
Hi Lubo
Life is unfolding exactly as it is!
Something has really been seen! Had a big a-ha moment the other day.
Thoughts are arising in this divinity, and awareness is aware, having an experience of 'being someone' - theres an identification 'experience' with thoughts, but there really is 'no one' having a life, having a story, having or doing or being anything!
Whats happening is what is happening, and a seeing of what that means in terms of 'not happening to anyone!'.
All that is arising just is. There are no people in the people, just arisings of things seeming to happen, but none of it is real in a meaningful way. It just is. The sense of 'me-ness' is not there.
There's a lot of peace here, or neutrality.
There doesn't seem to be any questions Lubo, all the 'I cant get it! Im stuck' has gone.
Thank you
xx
Life is unfolding exactly as it is!
Something has really been seen! Had a big a-ha moment the other day.
Thoughts are arising in this divinity, and awareness is aware, having an experience of 'being someone' - theres an identification 'experience' with thoughts, but there really is 'no one' having a life, having a story, having or doing or being anything!
Whats happening is what is happening, and a seeing of what that means in terms of 'not happening to anyone!'.
All that is arising just is. There are no people in the people, just arisings of things seeming to happen, but none of it is real in a meaningful way. It just is. The sense of 'me-ness' is not there.
There's a lot of peace here, or neutrality.
There doesn't seem to be any questions Lubo, all the 'I cant get it! Im stuck' has gone.
Thank you
xx
Re: Hand on the gate
Wonderful.
Do you want to end the case Charmain ?
if yes, here it is the final questions wich will help other guides to confirm my work.
Enjoy :)
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?
Much love
Lubo
Do you want to end the case Charmain ?
if yes, here it is the final questions wich will help other guides to confirm my work.
Enjoy :)
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?
Much love
Lubo
I am happy to invite you to join our meetings and events
https://luchanalubo.com/
https://luchanalubo.com/
Re: Hand on the gate
Hi Lubo
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Re: Hand on the gate
Hi Lubo
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Re: Hand on the gate
Hi Lubo
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Re: Hand on the gate
Hi Lubo
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Re: Hand on the gate
Hi Lubo
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
Yes - thank you - the answers are here:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No! There is no separation, no separate self, and could never have been, how could it have once been in a ‘past’ and now not be? There is just what is, awareness, divinity, there cannot be separate entities having anything separate, like a life or experience which could be independent or apart from this is.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is just that, illusion. I really don’t know in detail ‘what it is’, there is a sense that at
some stage, there is an impression formed with thought, a stream of thought, seemingly reinforced by the family and the environment to belong to someone. like an ownership and also a delusion that there is a decision making, being in the driving seat of what is going on. Like something thinking it’s on a mission, driving things forward. I used to think ‘I have a life’ and had to make the very best of it – and that it was important – but not now. The stories from ‘then’ are not important, weren’t ever meaning anything and were just happening. Nothing to do with anyone or anything.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Before these dialogues began there was a seeking for some form of spiritual awakening, a loss of consciousness or something. There was a strong sense of ‘I’, a huge sense of ‘doer’, rescuer, super responsible for others etc. Now there is different seeing of others, there are none! And just seeing beautiful flow of things arising. It’s not dramatic.
Other than that, nothing has really changed, per se, but there’s a slight smile, and now a feeling of obviousness. There’s been a lot of seeking, thinking there is something to ‘get’, something complicated and beyond, then a sense of ‘is that it?’, In the past few days, there has been a lightness, no thought relating to the self, and hardly any sensations.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Something clicked. Sitting in a café, contemplating on your questions, listening to a conversation nearby I saw the meaningless, or lack of something real in what appeared to be spoken – I saw a kind of fusion between the awareness of the conversation and that being said and how illusory the assumption that there is an I there doing that. How can there be. I felt this in myself, like a release, a dropping away.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
There is no decision – there is a perceived experience of decision, but that isn’t actually what is happening. Things are going on all the time, there was a narrative about will it be this, or will it be that, in thought, but clearly the ‘decision making process’ could not possibly influence the divine-ness of what is arising in every moment, in every way, how could thought have anything to do with it? It really doesn’t make any sense now that, that could be a possibility.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Same for intention, intention is just thought - how can a thought ‘speaking I intend to ….’ Have any effect – the words within it are meaningless, they have NOTHING to do with what now is seen as the divine happening of all that is arising –
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There was never a ‘free will’ a self, willing things this way or that way with any effect whatsoever. Free will suggests an ‘I’ do have free will. And any free will intentions, or decisions, or choices would be thought. Thoughts can’t do anything! So, again, how could that be? From this experience, there was only ever illusion of free will, and with that a sense of exhaustion, disappointment, frustration and a story of resistance to what is etc, because it’s not possible, there’s a narrative of there being free will and a determination to ‘make it happen’, but that’s impossible. Everything that happened was always going to happen in accordance with the divine will! The mysterious, beautiful happening.
Describe choice & give examples from experience
Same for choice, if there is a menu of food, the experience of sitting with the menu choosing food is awareness having the experience of what it is to choose food, rather than actually choosing food. There is no real way that choice can happen! There is nobody here choosing anything, there are thoughts pretending to deliberate over something, offering memory or preferences but – who the heck is choosing?
.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control is a just a thought idea, an impression that there is control, so that a ‘somebody’ can ‘be in control’, but that again is a perceptual? experience. Its awareness having the experience of doing something not somebody doing something. Nobody doing it. It really is just happening, with an overlay narrative from thought, from nowhere – commentating to give it the meaning that something is controlled, controlling.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don’t know what makes things happen or how it works. It’s divinity, a way higher? intelligence, the creator, and only the Creator’s will can be, (even that there is no knowing) but sense of a great big pulsation of things, instantaneously yet in illusion of time and space awareness is just aware of this as it is.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
‘I’ am not responsible for anything, because there is no I here to be responsible. Something happens, say, with an apparent other, but there is no way ‘I’ had any influence in that – it seems like an interplay of events, but this is divine, already established? Happening? at play, occurring.
6) Anything to add?
There’s just peace and a gratitude here for this. Thank you.
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