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[StaffordJR]

Let's do a Zoom i want to make sure You are Good Please let me know !!!

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[Jahi]

More shifts happened today with the following quotes.

1. "Consider...are your thoughts objectively descriptive or opinionated judgements."


2."Not believing the thoughts is the freedom.
Let them be.
The believing is adding meaning to the the thoughts and that leads into a story. But if I see the thought- a thought- it's empty of itself and it ahs no meaning at all. So you don't even have to believe what you're saying or not saying is true. It's a seeing. Let the thoughts come. I don't care. Let them come. It's a surrender. It's the opposite of what you've been trying to do. You've been trying to fix this "thinking problem" but it's just a surrender to letting the thoughts come because they're already coming, they're already here doing whatever they want. So be ok with that."

After hearing these today there was more releasing, more freedom, more ease, more joy. What would normally be a difficult moment still feeling very matter of fact, like I am saying the same words to discipline my children but there's less of an emotional charge behind them. It's almost like they are simply being said...with the same amount of firmness and strict tone but with WAY less emotion, WAY less suffering.
I don't care what people think when out in the world because this is just how it is.

I missed an exercise class. I was supposed to be there at 12 but arrived just before it ended at 1230 so I sat and waited for the owner to open the door so I could make sure I have the correct shoes for next time.
As I sat and waited, I noticed all of the "opinionated judgement" thoughts...how could you mess up the time? what is wrong with you? you're so stupid. this will cost you money because there is a non-cancellation fee. You are so irresponsible. How embarrassing.
and then I could see the beliefs...You have to be very responsible with your money. Don't waste it or you could lose it all. What a waste to have to pay a non-cancellation fee. It's like throwing your hard earned cash right in the trash can.
then I switched to objective descriptive thoughts...I'm sitting here. There are signs and lights a colors. I feel the cold cement on my bum. That's it. and I realized that was it.
on the way home I thought of how the thoughts were trying to torture me and convince me I could make my life better by letting them beat me up with insults.
what a crock of shit!!

how could I have made it this hard all this time???

it's so simple. It's just this. and this includes all the bullshit fucking thoughts.I don't control them just like I don't control any of it! I just think I do after the fact!

[StaffordJR]

More shifts happened today with the following quotes.

1. "Consider...are your thoughts objectively descriptive or opinionated judgements."


2."Not believing the thoughts is the freedom.
Let them be.
The believing is adding meaning to the the thoughts and that leads into a story. But if I see the thought- a thought- it's empty of itself and it ahs no meaning at all. So you don't even have to believe what you're saying or not saying is true. It's a seeing. Let the thoughts come. I don't care. Let them come. It's a surrender. It's the opposite of what you've been trying to do. You've been trying to fix this "thinking problem" but it's just a surrender to letting the thoughts come because they're already coming, they're already here doing whatever they want. So be ok with that."

After hearing these today there was more releasing, more freedom, more ease, more joy. What would normally be a difficult moment still feeling very matter of fact, like I am saying the same words to discipline my children but there's less of an emotional charge behind them. It's almost like they are simply being said...with the same amount of firmness and strict tone but with WAY less emotion, WAY less suffering.
I don't care what people think when out in the world because this is just how it is.

I missed an exercise class. I was supposed to be there at 12 but arrived just before it ended at 1230 so I sat and waited for the owner to open the door so I could make sure I have the correct shoes for next time.
As I sat and waited, I noticed all of the "opinionated judgement" thoughts...how could you mess up the time? what is wrong with you? you're so stupid. this will cost you money because there is a non-cancellation fee. You are so irresponsible. How embarrassing.
and then I could see the beliefs...You have to be very responsible with your money. Don't waste it or you could lose it all. What a waste to have to pay a non-cancellation fee. It's like throwing your hard earned cash right in the trash can.
then I switched to objective descriptive thoughts...I'm sitting here. There are signs and lights a colors. I feel the cold cement on my bum. That's it. and I realized that was it.
on the way home I thought of how the thoughts were trying to torture me and convince me I could make my life better by letting them beat me up with insults.
what a crock of shit!!

how could I have made it this hard all this time???

it's so simple. It's just this. and this includes all the bullshit fucking thoughts.I don't control them just like I don't control any of it! I just think I do after the fact!

Yes Yes Yes All Clear if You want to Help in Guiding I just have to Find The Final Six Questions The LU Confirmation Team goes over Our Threads Here & Then confirm You by Email & Give You a Facebook Group Link
So Love This when This is Seen Love Working with You & Please Message me anytime
Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter
Stafford. ;~}=_={~;

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[Jahi]

no desire to help in guiding but I I'm a little curious about the questions. In fact I've been asking if I've walked through the gateless gate? I think I have but I guess I've heard other people say if you question it, then you haven't.
I do feel like....oooooooooh yeah, it's actually not really a gate you walk through because the answer has always been just right here, just this. But also something is sensed differently on this other side of the gateless gate...like oh, this is all so fuckin random and unknowable. How did I take it so seriously before?
and someone mentioned the cosmic joke..like it's so funny because you spend all this time trying to figure it out and it's realized oh, there's nothing to figure out because there's no explanation to this constant big bang happening every single moment on repeat.

and so yeah. I don't know if I've walked through for sure but more happenings today with WAY LESS STICKINESS as they say. I would get a little worked up, but not nearly as emotional, and then it just fades within seconds. no suffering. More honesty with the husband without fear. Speaking is direct and matter of fact. Even my child's whining and tantrums hit in a different way...still like nails on a chalkboard but just less anger on my part, less...i think frantic is the word. Still disturbed in a way but just like, more grounded somehow.

Honesty is easier. LIke, authenticity is WAY easier. It's ok what I say or how I sound or how I look or what I do. It's ok. This body is ok.
I don't know if I still feel like I.
I'm not sure.
I mean, yeah, I guess I haven't had that many I thoughts (thoughts regarding myself). Everything is just more flowy and easy and unknown.

[StaffordJR]

no desire to help in guiding but I I'm a little curious about the questions. In fact I've been asking if I've walked through the gateless gate? I think I have but I guess I've heard other people say if you question it, then you haven't.
I do feel like....oooooooooh yeah, it's actually not really a gate you walk through because the answer has always been just right here, just this. But also something is sensed differently on this other side of the gateless gate...like oh, this is all so fuckin random and unknowable. How did I take it so seriously before?
and someone mentioned the cosmic joke..like it's so funny because you spend all this time trying to figure it out and it's realized oh, there's nothing to figure out because there's no explanation to this constant big bang happening every single moment on repeat.

and so yeah. I don't know if I've walked through for sure but more happenings today with WAY LESS STICKINESS as they say. I would get a little worked up, but not nearly as emotional, and then it just fades within seconds. no suffering. More honesty with the husband without fear. Speaking is direct and matter of fact. Even my child's whining and tantrums hit in a different way...still like nails on a chalkboard but just less anger on my part, less...i think frantic is the word. Still disturbed in a way but just like, more grounded somehow.

Honesty is easier. LIke, authenticity is WAY easier. It's ok what I say or how I sound or how I look or what I do. It's ok. This body is ok.
I don't know if I still feel like I.
I'm not sure.
I mean, yeah, I guess I haven't had that many I thoughts (thoughts regarding myself). Everything is just more flowy and easy and unknown.

Yes The Event Horizon & Great Here is the Questions & Would You like me to Send You to the Confirmation Team...???

The Questions are Right Below Hopefully, Please let me Know & Thanks for letting me Be here on Your Journey... !!!
Sending Peace Love Life & Life
Stafford. ;~}=_={~;

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[Jahi]

Yes The Event Horizon & Great Here is the Questions

what do you mean?

[StaffordJR]

Yes The Event Horizon & Great Here is the Questions

what do you mean?

Lol Apologies again just Another Word for What's Happening Now & just Was an Agreement with Your last Post Lol
Here are Your final Questions below
Sending much Love Stafford

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[StaffordJR]

Yes The Event Horizon & Great Here is the Questions

what do you mean?

Lol Apologies again just Another Word for What's Happening Now & just Was an Agreement with Your last Post Lol
Here are Your final Questions below
Sending much Love Stafford

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Hi Jahi Hope All is Well & i Guess You are done...?!?
Sending much Love Stafford

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[Jahi]

Hi. Am I done? Done with what?? Done with being guided here on LU? I would like to continue but I am uncertain. Most of the time I do not understand your questions written in text here. Your text to me is hard to follow since you don't use punctuation reliably and you use random capital letters. I can continue to try though since I am a little curious about the other fetters. Or maybe we could set up zooms (although your wife probably wouldn't like that haha) Anyway, here are my responses to those final questions you sent:



Is there a separate entity self me I at all in any way shape or form? Was there ever?
no . the body wants what it wants. And says so. But it’s just random. It’s just random what the body says and does. There seem to be beliefs or values still held but they’re just there, not held by an invisible entity called an I.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is. When it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
It's a need for control. It’s a needing to control everything that happens or might happen. It starts when society tells you this is your name and you (your name and your body) are completely responsible for your actions. When you're a child and you are punished for what you (the body) has done. And rewarded for something else...reinforced to believe that promise of happiness in rewards...that promise of satisfaction if you can just figure out how to take all the right actions and have all the right thoughts...then you will be happy.
The illusion of a separate self is thinking you can fix this..
The illusion of self is believing this isn’t right as it is and you can figure out how to make it better.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels quiet, peaceful, light.
More neutrality, less big strong sensation of emotion in the body even though some the same triggers come. It’s almost like my mouth is speaking and addressing it, but the speaking is just happening without the strong emotional charge.
The day I woke up (although it was over a couple of weeks really) I saw how my thoughts were trying to tell me this wasn’t it. I could see them trying to torture me and then I saw what actually was reality in that moment and oh shit!! It's just this! And it’s just random.
The difference is shit is just happening now. It’s just going. And whatever happens...it just does and it’s ok. Less worry because why? When you’ve got no fucking clue what’s gonna happen and zero control.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
“You can only experience a thought through another thought.” -Vince

“Thoughts can only describe parts, ever.” -Jeff

“Consider...are your thoughts objectively descriptive or opinionated judgements? Notice which is happening most of the time and notice you don’t need the latter. All of the opinionated judgements promise you happiness, but the happiness never comes as a result." -Vince

On a zoom call someone said, "Not believing the thoughts is the freedom.
Let them be.
The believing is adding meaning to the the thoughts and that leads into a story. But if I see the thought- a thought- it's empty of itself and it has no meaning at all. So you don't even have to believe what you're saying or not saying is true. It's a seeing. Let the thoughts come. I don't care. Let them come. It's a surrender. It's the opposite of what you've been trying to do. You've been trying to fix this "thinking problem" but it's just a surrender to letting the thoughts come because they're already coming, they're already here doing whatever they want. So be ok with that." -Phil


Describe decision, intention, free will choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Decision, intention, free will, choice and control all seem to be happening all on their own. But, it's like the NYC Lottery slogan goes, “Hey, you never know.” It seems like the decisions are just made. And the attachment to the outcome is less and less dense. How could you know how it will turn out? Oh gosh, I remember before I used to be like, “But statistics show!!! And how can you just go with the flow and deny statistics??” Now I just see that yes, things might be more likely to go one way but hey, they MIGHT JUST go the other! You could never know for sure!
Things just happen. I don’t know what makes things happen, why would I even try to solve that mystery? Where did the happening start and has it been like a ripple effect of all happenings?? Could we ever figure that out? Why bother?
What am I responsible for?? Well, apparently for my children and for my actions according to the government haha. But really, in reality this just is, so who can be responsible for what?? It’s like the big bang in every millisecond so where does the responsibility for which part of this constant explosion of colors and shapes and everything start and how is the responsibility reassigned so rapidly?


Anything to add?
It amazes me that I was making it so hard all of these years...or that...somehow it just ended up being so hard. It’s so simple. It’s just so simple.

[StaffordJR]

Hi. Am I done? Done with what?? Done with being guided here on LU? I would like to continue but I am uncertain. Most of the time I do not understand your questions written in text here. Your text to me is hard to follow since you don't use punctuation reliably and you use random capital letters. I can continue to try though since I am a little curious about the other fetters. Or maybe we could set up zooms (although your wife probably wouldn't like that haha) Anyway, here are my responses to those final questions you sent:



Is there a separate entity self me I at all in any way shape or form? Was there ever?
no . the body wants what it wants. And says so. But it’s just random. It’s just random what the body says and does. There seem to be beliefs or values still held but they’re just there, not held by an invisible entity called an I.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is. When it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
It's a need for control. It’s a needing to control everything that happens or might happen. It starts when society tells you this is your name and you (your name and your body) are completely responsible for your actions. When you're a child and you are punished for what you (the body) has done. And rewarded for something else...reinforced to believe that promise of happiness in rewards...that promise of satisfaction if you can just figure out how to take all the right actions and have all the right thoughts...then you will be happy.
The illusion of a separate self is thinking you can fix this..
The illusion of self is believing this isn’t right as it is and you can figure out how to make it better.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels quiet, peaceful, light.
More neutrality, less big strong sensation of emotion in the body even though some the same triggers come. It’s almost like my mouth is speaking and addressing it, but the speaking is just happening without the strong emotional charge.
The day I woke up (although it was over a couple of weeks really) I saw how my thoughts were trying to tell me this wasn’t it. I could see them trying to torture me and then I saw what actually was reality in that moment and oh shit!! It's just this! And it’s just random.
The difference is shit is just happening now. It’s just going. And whatever happens...it just does and it’s ok. Less worry because why? When you’ve got no fucking clue what’s gonna happen and zero control.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
“You can only experience a thought through another thought.” -Vince

“Thoughts can only describe parts, ever.” -Jeff

“Consider...are your thoughts objectively descriptive or opinionated judgements? Notice which is happening most of the time and notice you don’t need the latter. All of the opinionated judgements promise you happiness, but the happiness never comes as a result." -Vince

On a zoom call someone said, "Not believing the thoughts is the freedom.
Let them be.
The believing is adding meaning to the the thoughts and that leads into a story. But if I see the thought- a thought- it's empty of itself and it has no meaning at all. So you don't even have to believe what you're saying or not saying is true. It's a seeing. Let the thoughts come. I don't care. Let them come. It's a surrender. It's the opposite of what you've been trying to do. You've been trying to fix this "thinking problem" but it's just a surrender to letting the thoughts come because they're already coming, they're already here doing whatever they want. So be ok with that." -Phil


Describe decision, intention, free will choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Decision, intention, free will, choice and control all seem to be happening all on their own. But, it's like the NYC Lottery slogan goes, “Hey, you never know.” It seems like the decisions are just made. And the attachment to the outcome is less and less dense. How could you know how it will turn out? Oh gosh, I remember before I used to be like, “But statistics show!!! And how can you just go with the flow and deny statistics??” Now I just see that yes, things might be more likely to go one way but hey, they MIGHT JUST go the other! You could never know for sure!
Things just happen. I don’t know what makes things happen, why would I even try to solve that mystery? Where did the happening start and has it been like a ripple effect of all happenings?? Could we ever figure that out? Why bother?
What am I responsible for?? Well, apparently for my children and for my actions according to the government haha. But really, in reality this just is, so who can be responsible for what?? It’s like the big bang in every millisecond so where does the responsibility for which part of this constant explosion of colors and shapes and everything start and how is the responsibility reassigned so rapidly?


Anything to add?
It amazes me that I was making it so hard all of these years...or that...somehow it just ended up being so hard. It’s so simple. It’s just so simple.

Hi my dear Jahi it's almost stupid simple Lol
and thank you I'm actually done as well.
I stopped because I have no idea how to write in a correct way. Even now it is hard to not capitalize and play with these insignificant words.
I feel like I just can't help I'm just loosing people here and I don't want that so not LU's
fault please forgive me and I really hope life stays simple for you...!!!
Sincerely with Love Stafford





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[Jahi]

No reason to forgive you my dear Stafford! Not LU's fault, not anyone or anything's fault right? ha! It's so beautiful and such a relief!!!

How do I go about getting another guide if there is a desire to explore the other fetters?

Love, Jahaira

[StaffordJR]

No reason to forgive you my dear Stafford! Not LU's fault, not anyone or anything's fault right? ha! It's so beautiful and such a relief!!!

How do I go about getting another guide if there is a desire to explore the other fetters?

Love, Jahaira

Yes Totally Right & Thanks my Whole Thing is Helping not confusing or Worse have had some of those experiences & Yes No Fault but I do have Compassion & Would Love to ask the group to have someone step in & help guide where You need...!!!
I am Totally Happy for the Beauty & Relief You have Now was feeling sad that I might have confused You & So Glad it Turned This Way Sending much Love Stafford ;~}=_={~;

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[StaffordJR]

Hi. Am I done? Done with what?? Done with being guided here on LU? I would like to continue but I am uncertain. Most of the time I do not understand your questions written in text here. Your text to me is hard to follow since you don't use punctuation reliably and you use random capital letters. I can continue to try though since I am a little curious about the other fetters. Or maybe we could set up zooms (although your wife probably wouldn't like that haha) Anyway, here are my responses to those final questions you sent:



Is there a separate entity self me I at all in any way shape or form? Was there ever?
no . the body wants what it wants. And says so. But it’s just random. It’s just random what the body says and does. There seem to be beliefs or values still held but they’re just there, not held by an invisible entity called an I.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is. When it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
It's a need for control. It’s a needing to control everything that happens or might happen. It starts when society tells you this is your name and you (your name and your body) are completely responsible for your actions. When you're a child and you are punished for what you (the body) has done. And rewarded for something else...reinforced to believe that promise of happiness in rewards...that promise of satisfaction if you can just figure out how to take all the right actions and have all the right thoughts...then you will be happy.
The illusion of a separate self is thinking you can fix this..
The illusion of self is believing this isn’t right as it is and you can figure out how to make it better.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels quiet, peaceful, light.
More neutrality, less big strong sensation of emotion in the body even though some the same triggers come. It’s almost like my mouth is speaking and addressing it, but the speaking is just happening without the strong emotional charge.
The day I woke up (although it was over a couple of weeks really) I saw how my thoughts were trying to tell me this wasn’t it. I could see them trying to torture me and then I saw what actually was reality in that moment and oh shit!! It's just this! And it’s just random.
The difference is shit is just happening now. It’s just going. And whatever happens...it just does and it’s ok. Less worry because why? When you’ve got no fucking clue what’s gonna happen and zero control.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
“You can only experience a thought through another thought.” -Vince

“Thoughts can only describe parts, ever.” -Jeff

“Consider...are your thoughts objectively descriptive or opinionated judgements? Notice which is happening most of the time and notice you don’t need the latter. All of the opinionated judgements promise you happiness, but the happiness never comes as a result." -Vince

On a zoom call someone said, "Not believing the thoughts is the freedom.
Let them be.
The believing is adding meaning to the the thoughts and that leads into a story. But if I see the thought- a thought- it's empty of itself and it has no meaning at all. So you don't even have to believe what you're saying or not saying is true. It's a seeing. Let the thoughts come. I don't care. Let them come. It's a surrender. It's the opposite of what you've been trying to do. You've been trying to fix this "thinking problem" but it's just a surrender to letting the thoughts come because they're already coming, they're already here doing whatever they want. So be ok with that." -Phil


Describe decision, intention, free will choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Decision, intention, free will, choice and control all seem to be happening all on their own. But, it's like the NYC Lottery slogan goes, “Hey, you never know.” It seems like the decisions are just made. And the attachment to the outcome is less and less dense. How could you know how it will turn out? Oh gosh, I remember before I used to be like, “But statistics show!!! And how can you just go with the flow and deny statistics??” Now I just see that yes, things might be more likely to go one way but hey, they MIGHT JUST go the other! You could never know for sure!
Things just happen. I don’t know what makes things happen, why would I even try to solve that mystery? Where did the happening start and has it been like a ripple effect of all happenings?? Could we ever figure that out? Why bother?
What am I responsible for?? Well, apparently for my children and for my actions according to the government haha. But really, in reality this just is, so who can be responsible for what?? It’s like the big bang in every millisecond so where does the responsibility for which part of this constant explosion of colors and shapes and everything start and how is the responsibility reassigned so rapidly?


Anything to add?
It amazes me that I was making it so hard all of these years...or that...somehow it just ended up being so hard. It’s so simple. It’s just so simple.

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[StaffordJR]

Hi Jahi not sure if You have Been contacted but You have Been confirmed Through the Gate ...!!!
I'm thinking You should be invited to Unleashed Facebook Group & find others to discuss anything with Yay Sending much Love Stafford. ;~}=_={~;

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[Jahi]

Yes Stafford! I received a message with an invite. Thank you so much xo