Waking up to living non dual

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules

When I live my life like this I see no need to do any shadow work or cleaning up, people would say this is spiritual bypassing. i don't mean to bring in concepts or teachings but im just wondering about that aspect of life.

There is another belief that needs to be busted. Again, is there a doer that does things, or it is all happening on its own, effortlessly? Are you the decision maker that decides what needs to be done? Can the thought “I move my hands” really move the hands? Who is there to bypass anything? How can you possibly bypass anything if you are not the doer, the decision maker, the thinker, etc - you never was and you’ll never will be?

When the core belief has been busted, a lot of other beliefs will still be hanging around. What you want to do at this point is LOOK and LOOK again. Keep your eyes open, let the beliefs come to the surface. Keep looking. They will come up one by one ready to be examined and released. Don’t fight them. Hold on to nothing. As soon as you start holding on to beliefs and ideas, you get stuck - you feel right about something and feel like you have an opinion. To unstick, just let it all fall off. That means question everything you are certain about. It may take a few months to settle in, but everyone is different, so there is no way to know how long it will take for everything to be re-examined. Sometimes it is intense, sometimes it’s gentle, but there is no finish line, only falling deeper and deeper into peace. Looking is the tool that has to be used over and over again. “Crossing the gate” is only the beginning of a long integration and re-evaluation. All this old conditioning has to be seen for what it is. The best part is that the cleaning happens on ITS OWN – it takes care of itself. If fear appears, it just shows where to LOOK. This falling away of old beliefs happens whether you do shadow work on that or just rest in being, the process takes care of itself. Sometimes it is intense, sometimes it’s gentle, but there is no landing, only falling deeper and deeper into peace. When resistance ends, surrendering happens; both are actually the same movement. Every little resistance released is surrendering in action. It’s a letting go, a falling off of old “parts of you,” of stuff that no longer serves and is no longer needed.

What is intuition? Sometimes it doesn't feel like a thought but sensing. I guess it doesn't need to be labeled as "intuition", it can just be sensing and then dropped.

Intuition is just more thoughts. It is usually a label for thoughts that seem to be coming from "somewhere else" than the other ones. Intuition is the ability to understand something instinctively, without evident rational thought. But is it necessarily true? How is it different from any other thought? Thoughts add an overlaying narrative of names, labels, interpretations, explanations over the simplicity of what is. Instead of endlessly reaching for ideas, concepts and explanations, just let it all go, and see. Just see what is here now silently, without words. Just notice what is left when you stop thinking about it. Thoughts are always out of sync with reality, and they obstruct the clear seeing of how things actually are. Reality is very simple.

Is there anything else that you want to explore?
Love
Rali

[Julesdickson]

Again, is there a doer that does things, or it is all happening on its own, effortlessly? Are you the decision maker that decides what needs to be done? Can the thought “I move my hands” really move the hands? Who is there to bypass anything? How can you possibly bypass anything if you are not the doer, the decision maker, the thinker, etc - you never was and you’ll never will be?

No i am not the doer, things happen on their own. No their is no me that decides anything. No thought moves the hands only moving moves the hands. No one is there to bypass anything. It’s impossible to be the doer of anything when there is no one to do it, i see this clearly, thank you.

But is it necessarily true? How is it different from any other thought?

No its not in the end different from other thoughts. The substance of it is still the same its just more thinking, even if there is less “story” behind it. It is still thought.

Is there anything else that you want to explore?

Thank you so much for your words on this, they are very resonant and extremely helpful, well just like everything but still. Thank you :). I dont know if I have anything else i want to explore. Let me see if anything arises during the next day.

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules

Thank you so much for your words on this, they are very resonant and extremely helpful, well just like everything but still. Thank you :). I dont know if I have anything else i want to explore. Let me see if anything arises during the next day.

Awesome! Do you think you are ready for the final questions? Maybe they could hint further exploring?
Love
Rali

[Julesdickson]

Do you think you are ready for the final questions?

Yes your right perhaps things will arise, sounds good let’s do the final questions.

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules
I hope you're doing great! I just wanted to let you know that I will be away till Monday. I'll be in the wild so internet is very unlikely, but I'll be back to answering on Tusday. You can still reply in the mean time :)

Love
Rali

[Julesdickson]

Okay no problem have a nice time. :D

[poppyseed]

Hey I can still give you the final questions if you want to start working on them…

[Julesdickson]

Yes that would be great thank you.

I’m also wondering what you think about noting. Sometimes I do this for my meditations or in life. Like “seeing, hearing, feeling” and I mentally note it. Is it unnecessary or is it a helpful tool to drop thought content?

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules

I’m also wondering what you think about noting. Sometimes I do this for my meditations or in life. Like “seeing, hearing, feeling” and I mentally note it. Is it unnecessary or is it a helpful tool to drop thought content?

Who/what can drop thought content? Is there anything that is outside of thinking that can drop it? Are you doing the “noting”? Is there an expectation that thought content would stop? But also, is this inquiry something that you do? Is there an “I” that wakes up? Can an “I” wake up/note things? Can a label wake up? What is “waking up”? Waking up is not a personality shift, it is a perception shift. Look, what is trying to figure out what needs to be done in order to understand reality? What is separate from reality and trying to understand it? LOOK! Is there anything that needs to be done to improve it? What is it that awakening could happen TO? Is there someone separate form life, waiting to wake up to reality? Is there someone who needs to let go of conceptualization? Or letting go happens on its own effortlessly, when the futility of trying to grasp what is with thoughts is recognized?
Love
Rali

[Julesdickson]

Who/what can drop thought content? Is there anything that is outside of thinking that can drop it? Are you doing the “noting”?

No thing can drop thought content. Thinking will have to drop by itself. Nothing is outside of thinking that can be dropped. No “me” is noting.

Is there an expectation that thought content would stop? But also, is this inquiry something that you do? Is there an “I” that wakes up? Can an “I” wake up/note things? Can a label wake up?

Their is a thought that has an expectation that thought content would drop. But i see that it’s a thought. This inquiry is something that feels like it starts out that I’m doing it then at a certain point it doesn’t. Their is no I that wakes up. An “I” cannot wake up/note things. A label cannot wake up.

What is “waking up”? Waking up is not a personality shift, it is a perception shift. Look, what is trying to figure out what needs to be done in order to understand reality?

Waking up is a concept which is a thought. Thinking is thinking about what it needs to do in order to understand reality

What is separate from reality and trying to understand it? LOOK! Is there anything that needs to be done to improve it? What is it that awakening could happen TO?

Nothing is separate from reality it just couldn’t be that way, thinking is trying to understand it but even that is not really separate. Nothing at all needs to be done to improve it. Awakening can’t happen to anyone in particular, theirs no one for anything to happen to.

Is there someone separate form life, waiting to wake up to reality? Is there someone who needs to let go of conceptualization? Or letting go happens on its own effortlessly, when the futility of trying to grasp what is with thoughts is recognized?

No one is separate from reality. No one needs to let go of conceptualization. Letting go definitely happens on its own without any authority. As soon as their is the smallest amount of authority in the letting go then their is no letting go. so when futility of trying to grasp what is with thoughts is recognized it is naturally released.

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules

Their is a thought that has an expectation that thought content would drop. But i see that it’s a thought.

Thinking is thinking about what it needs to do in order to understand reality

Can a thought have an expectation? Can a thought think? Is there one thought that comes up with the other thoughts? Or are there just thoughts about thoughts about thoughts fitting like a jigsaw pieces together creating the illusion of a story?
With regards to getting rid of thoughts, stories will still come up, but they aren’t fed attention nor given dramatized exaggeration; they are seen through quickly.
People think that if they can only stop thinking, all will be experienced more deeply and vividly, and they will be more aware. They try many things: meditation, willpower, avoidance. Thoughts are not the enemy. Thinking that thoughts are the problem is the problem. People get locked in a repeat loop when they don’t realize the true nature of the problem. Thinking is innocent, and it’s a great tool in a practical sense and in terms of artistic expression and entertainment. It is part of the experience, part of THIS—there’s no need to try to get rid of it. And you can’t get rid of it if you try. Can you see that?

This inquiry is something that feels like it starts out that I’m doing it then at a certain point it doesn’t. Their is no I that wakes up. An “I” cannot wake up/note things. A label cannot wake up.

Feels like :)? Remember in DE it’s either here or not, there is no feels like, seems like … Was there an “I” that needed to be gotten rid of? Or there never was an “I”?

Letting go definitely happens on its own without any authority.

Is there letting go at all? Thinking goes on and then off on its own, effortlessly...
Love
rali

[Julesdickson]

Can a thought have an expectation? Can a thought think? Is there one thought that comes up with the other thoughts? Or are there just thoughts about thoughts about thoughts fitting like a jigsaw pieces together creating the illusion of a story?

Thoughts cannot have an expectation because their is only thinking. A thought cannot think no. Their is only thoughts about thoughts that together create a story. One single thought cannot independently think up something.

Can you see that?

Yes I know that if I don’t feed into a story thoughts just dont continue. And I see that thoughts are not the problem, they just go on when it’s appropriate for them to be going on and they don’t when they don’t. Not much more to do about that.

Feels like :)? Remember in DE it’s either here or not, there is no feels like, seems like … Was there an “I” that needed to be gotten rid of? Or there never was an “I”?

Yes it doesn’t feel like it, I can see that their never was and I so no need for any thing to get rid or to be rid of anything

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Is there letting go at all?

No their is no letting go it’s all seamless and effortless.

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules
Very good!!
One thing though:

Yes I know that if I don’t feed into a story thoughts just dont continue.

How do you "feed into a story"? Tell me what "feed into a story" means. How is it different from thoughts just appearing and disappearing like clouds in the sky - sometimes in a bunch, sometimes a single cloud? Also, please have a look if there is anyone there to feed into a story, that is outside of the story. Next time you watch a movie, notice how you get sucked into the story; how emotions come up and judgements appear. Then all of a sudden, there is like a flip back to the room - as if focus zooms out. Observe how it happens. At which point is there a decision to snap out? Is there one that makes that decision or does it simply happen, effortlessly? Is it different from being sucked into mind movies/feeding into a story? If there is nobody to feed into a story, is ”feeding into the story” actually happening or is it a story/thought about “feeding into the story” (more thought content)?
Love
Rali

[Julesdickson]

At which point is there a decision to snap out? Is there one that makes that decision or does it simply happen, effortlessly? Is it different from being sucked into mind movies/feeding into a story? If there is nobody to feed into a story, is ”feeding into the story” actually happening or is it a story/thought about “feeding into the story” (more thought content)?

Yes their is never a decision made to come out of this is just happens naturally. It is not t from being fully absorbed in a movie While it’s playing. It’s just a thought about feeding into a story since there is nobody to feed into it. The thought feeding into the story Is more thought content itself. Yes I can know this when I look.

[poppyseed]

Hi Jules
Nice!!
Is there anything else or you are ready for the final questions?
Love
Rail