All is LOVE

[LauraP]

Okay good, but since there is no separate "self, " What has this belief?

Somehow the separate self has a belief that without the stories life will be not a life, it will be empty, boring, formless.

Restate this so that it is true & doesn't rely on the non-existent "self."[/quote]

There appears to be a belief (perhaps an unconscious programme) that stories are important for life. That without stories, life would be empty, boring and formless. That I (the separate self that does not exist) would not get what I want (i.e. a secure relationship, love, family, community, recognitions, belonging etc...). However, since there's no separate self to actually get all that, where do we go next?

[Anastacia42]

Good morning, Laura,

I can't promise that life is never boring without stories, but then again, aren't the repetitive painful stories also boring? Wouldn't you prefer life without all the unnecessary stories and suffering?

Where we go next is where we have been going all along. Helping you to see that there is no separate "self."

Try this pointer:

Stream Exercise

Imagine for a moment a scene, one of a little mountain stream which is tumbling down a hillside gully, not far from its source. It has been raining and so the level is quite high.

Consider in your mind's eye, if you can, how it flows to the right over a little rock (where, had the level been lower, it would probably have gone around the rock), then the flow goes to the left over a tree bow, and then slows a little in a broader place, before splashing over a small cascade into a pool, and so on down the mountain side.

Does it choose any of its directions? Is it even really a separate entity different from the water deposited in it, the rocks, the depressions in the ground etc? Is it even the same entity moment by moment, or more the product of weather conditions and water, like an ever-changing pattern?

1. Can you find anywhere where "Laura" autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?

2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc.

Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?

3. Can anything be found for which 'Laura' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?

As always, relax & have fun!

Loving,

[LauraP]

Does it choose any of its directions? Is it even really a separate entity different from the water deposited in it, the rocks, the depressions in the ground etc? Is it even the same entity moment by moment, or more the product of weather conditions and water, like an ever-changing pattern?

No choice, simply an ever-changing unfolding. Not a separate entity. And always taking up whatever forms/conditions arise.

1. Can you find anywhere where "Laura" autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?

I cannot.

2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc.

I am pretty unattached to what I wear so I just pick up any old clothes off the floor (that have been worn the previous day) and stick them on (apart from clean sock and knickers). I eat according to my preferences and what is available and time available to cook.

Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?

Nope (a part of mind is sad and angry about this, another part feels resigned and yet another is trying to feel positive about it, OMG!)

3. Can anything be found for which 'Laura' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?

Nope. Crikey. Again, some feelings of resignation there, like "what's the point?". I've, seemingly, been busy seeking and doing and manufacturing and concocting and none of it means anything. Gordon Bennett! I'm both laughing and crying at the same at this thing that we call life.

[Anastacia42]

Good, Laura,

I'm both laughing and crying at the same at this thing that we call life.

Good! That's right.

Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream.
Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily
Life is but a dream!

On #2 can you find any chooser or decider?

Can you find any separate "self" anywhere?



Much love,

[LauraP]

On #2 can you find any chooser or decider?

No.

Can you find any separate "self" anywhere?

No.

[Anastacia42]

Then:

How does it FEEL to see no chooser, decider or "self?"

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

By the way...

Vince's meeting is tomorrow.

There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Meet up with vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday August 14

6 am Sydney (est) Australia
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Let him know if you want email reminders.

Vinceschubert@gmail.com

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Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

To register send Ilona an email to

admin@ilonaciunaite.com

Looking forward :)


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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

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Have fun with these. Looking forward to next reply.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

I think the time change affected this. Check with Vince

[LauraP]

How does it FEEL to see no chooser, decider or "self?"

It feels like a no-thing, like there is no thing to feel. There just is. I can't seem to even attach a label such as 'liberated' or 'happy' or 'sad' because there is no 'attacher'.

[Anastacia42]

Okay, are you saying you have seen there is no self?

Loving,

[LauraP]

Okay, are you saying you have seen there is no self?

100%

[Anastacia42]

Beautiful!

We have some traditional "final:" questions below. I'll share your answers with other guides, who may have questions.

Have fun!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Hi Laura,

We have 30 people waiting at the Gate. I am waiting to complete with you & a couple of others before I take on more clients.

Do you feel ready to answer these questions or do you need any more guiding or clarification?

Loving,

[LauraP]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No and no

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion starts with attaching phenomena (thinking, feeling, experiencing) to a personal sense of "I". The is a feeling of a separate person doing something, as opposed to direct experience of seeing.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels a bit inconsequential, a bit like nothing really, which is what it is a no-thing. There is zero or hardly any attachment to anything. Certainly zero attachment to attaining a husband or a 'perfect' family or whatever concepts this false belief in me had about life, when we started. It's laughable really to think that I started with the notion of husbands, and kind of sad. Some grief for the apparent past parts that were so attached to the "I" and to what that "I" meant. Not because there is sadness at letting go, because there's nothing to let go, but rather sadness just because. But sadness is a label, so a more accurate way would be so say empty space.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Nothing really, I've been milling around this concept for a long time.

Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

There are no decisions to be made because there is no decision maker, no intentions, no free will, no choice, no control. There is just direct experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

Nothing makes things happen, or at least not a separate "I".

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Nothing.

6) Anything to add?

Nope.

[Anastacia42]

Sounds good. Your answers will be shared with other guides who may have questions.

Watch this thread & the private messages at the top right.

Much love,