All is LOVE

[LauraP]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
It means that we're not separate from God (or source or unconditional love).

What are you looking for at LU?
Oneness, community, love, belonging, unpacking and unpicking of the ego. A conversation with people who are on the same page in terms of my beliefs about self. And the fact that self does not exist, that we are ultimately not separate from source.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
I am not really very sure about what that is, however I would expect a gentle, compassionate enquiry regarding the nature of mind (the ego). I have watched a few episodes on Youtube called Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - End of Seeking. I imagine it to be like this.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
I am a ACIM student. I have delved in and out of spirituality for about 20 years, from Catholicism to Ananda Marga to ACIM.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
11

[Anastacia42]

My name is Stacy and I can be your guide, if you would like.

I was an ACIM student for 25 years. No longer seeking, I don't do it anymore. As it says, "no more lessons are given because none are needed. "

One thing I want to make very clear up front is that with me, you must post every day. This helps you keep focused & keep up a momentum. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

If you know yourself to be a skeptical person, prone to doubt, I may not be the best guide for you. I never had any doubt. I can connect you with one of our other guides who did & who can guide you better than I.

If you haven't already read the disclaimer, please read it now and just confirm to me that you have read it. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

Also please read “Liberation Unleashed is not …” in the FAQ’s of LU. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?

Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?


Loving,

[Anastacia42]

There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

This one is today in 3.5 hours:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com
You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Meet up with Vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday December 5 (TODAY IN US)

5am Sydney (est) Australia
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Let him know if you want email reminders.

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Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

To register send Ilona an email to

admin@ilonaciunaite.com

Looking forward :)


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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.

Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

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Have fun with these. Looking forward to next reply.

Loving,

[LauraP]

Hi Stacy, yes please be my guide. I can confirm that I can respond daily.

How will life change?
It will be more pleasurable, pleasant, bearable.

How will you change?
More stress-free, able to cope with stuff, be present, joyful, playful.

What will be different?
Just my perception of my life. Able to see life as is without the layers of conditioning.

What is missing?
I would love support around the house. A loving, supportive husband would be great :)

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?
Laura, UK.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Laura,

Very good. your expectations are pretty reasonable, although seeing no self won't change your husband.: )

Now, what comes up when is read there's no separate "self," never has been & never will be?

Be aware that you may not get email notifications, so please visit this page every day to check for posts. I'm in Colorado, Mountain Time, in the US.

Much love,

[LauraP]

Now, what comes up when is read there's no separate "self," never has been & never will be?

Nothing drastic or noticeable. If anything, what comes up is relief that I haven't failed for not having a husband. For being a single parent. For 'failing' to provide a family unit for my daughter. Basically, it helps me to accept my so-called 'failings'. I can grasp all this cognitively, yet the felt sense of abandonment and loneliness and neglect feels quite real.

[Anastacia42]

Only when you believe untrue thoughts.



Please read this & watch again...

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Okay, following the Quote instructions, please try this:

This is how to LOOK for no self in the exercises - we call them "pointers' - that we will be doing here:

Colored Socks

There is a big difference between knowing that there is nothing to give up and seeing that there is nothing to give up.

Here is an example to illustrate the difference:

If I ask you what color socks you are wearing right now you have two ways to come up with an answer:

• You can think about it, you can think back to this morning and try to remember putting your socks on, and you can probably tell me what color you think they are.

• Alternatively, you can take a quick look at your socks and tell me what color they actually are!

Hopefully you would agree that you can only be 100% certain by looking.

For the purpose of seeing this "no self" idea, it is very important that you are clear about this difference.

Knowing is about knowledge which is all in the mind and we are not interested in that

We are only interested in looking at and seeing what is actually going on in your present moment-to-moment experience. We are only interested in your Direct Experience in the moment..

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)

Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.


Loving,

[LauraP]

Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.

Thank you. I am clear about the difference between knowing (mind chatter) and seeing (direct experience).

[LauraP]

Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.

Thank you. I am clear about the difference between knowing (mind chatter) and seeing (direct experience).
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[Anastacia42]

Good, Laura, let's see if you are.

Direct Experience - Labeling Daily Activities

Here's an exercise that I would like you to try as many times throughout the day as you can. Label daily activities simply color/image, sound, smell, taste, sensation, thought.

So for example, when having breakfast, become aware of:

Seeing a cup, simply= image/color
Smelling coffee, simply = smell
Feeling the warmth of the coffee cup, simply = sensation
Tasting the coffee, simply = taste
Hearing the spoon stirring the coffee, simply = sound
Thought about drinking the coffee, simply = thought

Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all Actual/Direct Experience) and report back with lists exactly like the one above.

Post several of your own observations in a list *exactly* like the one above, please. Same word forms. Same order. EXACTLY.

Refer to the green list of Actual/Direct Experience in the prior post if that helps. Those are the only items any experience can be.

Loving,

[LauraP]

Post several of your own observations in a list *exactly* like the one above, please. Same word forms. Same order. EXACTLY.

I've struggled with this a bit as I got highjacked by the mind multiple times so I ended up labelling most things as 'thoughts' or 'thinking'.

I've found myself labelling some things as 'movement' or 'action' and wondering if that's classified as Actual/Direct Experience.

[Anastacia42]

It's simple...

Seeing a cup, simply= image/color
Smelling coffee, simply = smell
Feeling the warmth of the coffee cup, simply = sensation
Tasting the coffee, simply = taste
Hearing the spoon stirring the coffee, simply = sound
Thought about drinking the coffee, simply = thought


Follow the example.

[LauraP]

Thank you for the encouragement. I'll try afresh and report back.

[LauraP]

Post several of your own observations in a list *exactly* like the one above, please. Same word forms. Same order. EXACTLY.

Waking up
Seeing my daughter asleep next to me, simply= image
Feeling the warmth of her, simply = sensation
Hearing her snore, simply = sound
Thought about how much I love her, simply = thought

Having breakfast
Seeing a fruit bowl, simply= image
Smelling the orange, simply = smell
Feeling the slipperiness of cut fruit, simply = sensation
Tasting the fruit, simply = taste
Hearing the crunching of the fuit, simply = sound
Thought about how healthy fruit salad is, simply = thought

Getting dressed
Seeing clothes, simply= image
Smelling the clothes, simply = smell
Feeling the softness of clothes, simply = sensation
Hearing the zip, simply = sound
Thought about how I always wear the same stuff, simply = thought