Attention Here and Now

[Sfamurrik]

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

No.

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

No true difference.

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?

Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?

Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

[Sfamurrik]

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

No.

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

No true difference.

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?

Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?

Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

[Sfamurrik]

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

No.

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

No true difference.

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?

Thoughts are just thoughts. I am finding it hard to even come up with a thought.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content " me character " ?

Only when I slip into the "illusion me character" LOL

I feel like I am in a neutral zone this morning.

I didn't sleep well last night, kept thinking about colors. Real or not real? Green was the color of the trees during the day but when I woke up in the middle of the night they were grey. Does it really matter ( is it really true ? ) ... perceptions are like labels.

Thank you for helping me on this journey-less journey.

kathleen

[Sfamurrik]

Hi

Not sure if it is my internet or the website but I am having trouble opening the responses and submitting. I think it got submitted about 3 times...sorry.

kathleen

[Anastacia42]

Good morning, again

You're right. Try this:


Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise. Google for a picture of an apple.



When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Have fun and let me know what you find out.

Loving,

[Sfamurrik]

When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."
What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.
What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Not sure what the question is.... The contents of thoughts are just more thoughts.

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.
Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.
Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?
Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

The object called "apple" is seen and felt, so it is an actual experience

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.
This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.
Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Yes, What I call an apple is known by my senses.

[Sfamurrik]

Hi
This is a follow up to the above questions.

When I am holding an apple or eating an apple it is an actual experience in the NOW. I am not thinking about the label apple or the imagined taste. I am just eating what I call an apple.

I really am not sure if I got the point of this exercise.

Thanks for your guidance

kathleen

[Anastacia42]

Okay, this is a very important exercise. It points to NO APPLE.

However, is an apple actually known?
Yes, What I call an apple is known by my senses.

Is "apple" known or is "apple" a story, made up content of thought, that's all? Isn't "apple" nothing 'Actual?"

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)

LOOK carefully.

Do you get the point now?

Loving,

[Sfamurrik]

Got it.....

Seeing is seeing
Hearing is hearing
tasting is tasting
etc.

Everything else is a story..content of thoughts.

Thanks,
I think I got it.

kathleen

[Anastacia42]

Yes, you have it intellectually now.

The idea is to LOOK with your eyes & let go of stories.

Please repeat the Apple pointer & LOOK, don't think to find the answers. Correct answers don't matter. LOOKING does.

You are also likely to FEEL very different.

So, try again, please.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

This one is today in 3.5 hours:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com
You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
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Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

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Have fun with these. Looking forward to next reply.

Loving,


~ Stacy

[Sfamurrik]

When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

No... only Thought/memory of what an apple is.

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

No

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known ?

No

My brain is a little stumped....Nothing tangible is real.....Everything is relative.

[Anastacia42]

Good!

Your logical mind won't get you to waking up. Just thank it & move on to watching Direct Experience only.

Okay, let's try this:


Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.

2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.

Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Loving,

[Sfamurrik]

How is the movement controlled?

automatic

Does a thought control it?

No

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

no

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
automatic before thought

Who or what chose which

hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

There was no thought just raised right hand and started turning over at some point just stopped. Not aware of a decision being made.

[Anastacia42]

Good.

How does it FEEL to SEE this?

Loving,