Realisation please. Thank you

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:49 pm

Hi Stacy,

Apparently the second video is going to be on 22nd October. I have watched the first part and yes, it reminds me my own maze and how all comes back to the same issue of the seeking and the mind that makes it all complicated.

I have nothing to report that is significant. I am working intentionally with DE and reading Gatecrashers.

I've listened to the repairing track at the I Am Complete recordings and it was interesting that he connected the repairing with Tikkun Olam, just because the meaning of it, but this is on an intellectual level.
I think I understood what he was meant with the reverse point but I could not find myself "getting" it practically.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:05 am

Thank you, Adi.

No need to wait for my replies, by the way, just keep reporting what's going on.

The vivid colors are significant, as is any sense of release & relaxation, or ease.

The IAM instructor is of Jewish heritage.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:24 pm

Hi Stacy,

I just did the Zooming in Peace from the IAC recordings, as I was Zooming in peace and me getting smaller and smaller to gone, and added the aware breathing, it felt like peace itself was breathing in and out and I was not there. It felt very spacious and then my heart started racing.

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Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:58 pm

it felt like peace itself was breathing in and out and I was not there. It felt very spacious and then my heart started racing.
Adi, this is great! You keep SEEING in different ways: relaxation, vivid colors, now spaciousness & "I was not there." Excellent!

See? It *can* happen to you!

Now, the heart racing - was this fear? Or excitement?

Though I must say that's kind of a trick question. Which one it was only depends on your thinking about it, as both are the same physical Sensations. Your interpretations determines the emotion you label it with.

If there is any fear, you can do Ilona's Deep Looking at Fear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKX1llYtlKE&t=13s

Loving,
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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:56 pm

Thanks, Stacy
Now, the heart racing - was this fear? Or excitement?
Though I must say that's kind of a trick question. Which one it was only depends on your thinking about it, as both are the same physical Sensations. Your interpretations determines the emotion you label it with.
If there is any fear, you can do Ilona's Deep Looking at Fear.
I am not sure, maybe, but yes, you are right, I think. Labeling will not help.
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Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:48 pm

Okay, I didn't say labeling will not help, although you're right.

Remember only fear & expectations block seeing the truth *now*.

That's why, if it's fear, Ilona's video may be helpful.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:46 pm

Hi Stacy,

I have watched Ilona's video just now, the one with Jim, the second part. I found it quite simple and powerful. I used her questions for myself. The way he described his feeling resonated with me, the feeling of this all being simple, obvious almost yet not as an experience, although in the end his realisation does come across .
It does feel that this experience of the "I" or the belief in an "I" is slightly fading. Not sure how, as I have been meditating since 2014 and it never felt like this, but anyway, I'll be keeping on.

Thanks for recommending.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:34 pm

Very good, Adi.

You're doing great. I haven't watched that 2nd one, yet. There will be 5, I read.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:42 pm

Hi Stacy,

It would be interesting to see it completely unfolding. Lucky guy:)
I am reading Gateless Gate Crashers and again using those questions for me. There is no I to be found AND I still don't "get it" at the same time, but I'll keep looking.

Thanks

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Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:00 pm

You're doing fine

Lucky because he sees?

I started the second video, but haven't finished it.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:23 pm

Hi Stacy,
Thank you.
Lucky because he sees?
Yes.
The line between seeing and not seeing is not clear to me yet, obviously. I read the Gatecrashers and one minute they don't have a clue and the next they just see. And there are questions that I can answer like where do thoughts come from, and I can say they just come and go, I have no control over them, but there are others that I cannot really answer, like "what is real" or "what is self?" I don't know... (I do theoretically!)
For me "what is real?" will be answered by "who knows?" or "not sure..." Same for "what is self?"
So what should I be looking at when I am asked to look? I think what I am asking is how do I look, or how do I discover what I cannot yet see.
Thank you.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:40 pm

Hi Adi,
So what should I be looking at when I am asked to look?
Remember this?

This is how to LOOK for no self in the exercises - we call them "pointers' - that we will be doing here:

Colored Socks

There is a big difference between knowing that there is nothing to give up and seeing that there is nothing to give up.

Here is an example to illustrate the difference:

If I ask you what color socks you are wearing right now you have two ways to come up with an answer:

• You can think about it, you can think back to this morning and try to remember putting your socks on, and you can probably tell me what color you think they are.

• Alternatively, you can take a quick look at your socks and tell me what color they actually are!

Hopefully you would agree that you can only be 100% certain by looking.

For the purpose of seeing this "no self" idea, it is very important that you are clear about this difference.

Knowing is about knowledge which is all in the mind and we are not interested in that

We are only interested in looking at and seeing what is actually going on in your present moment-to-moment experience. We are only interested in your Direct Experience in the moment..

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)


Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.


Just because we ask a question, doesn't mean there's an answer.

Where do thoughts come from?

We don't know. They just arise.

What is real? Direct Experience but "real" is slippery. I don't use it.

What is self? Same thing. We can't find it other than in made up thought stories.

Use your eyes. Feel with your body. Listen with your ears.

Here, try this. I don't think I've given you anything with sound.

Hearing Exercise

Find somewhere quiet to sit. Rest for a moment and listen to the sounds in the room where you are, or sounds from outside. Whatever it is, I'll just refer to it as 'what can be heard'.

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?

2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?

3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears?

Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?

What do you find?

Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?


Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:15 pm

Thanks Stacy,
Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.
Yes, this is clear.
Just because we ask a question, doesn't mean there's an answer.
Right! Good point.
) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?
No. Only hearing and what's heard.
2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only 'what can be heard'?
No. There is only what can be heard.
3) An 'I'? a 'body'? a 'person'? a brain? a pair of ears?
Can these be found doing the hearing? Or is there just 'what can be heard'?
Only what can be heard, none of those could be found as doing the hearing, no.
What do you find?
Only hearing and what is heard.
Can an INHERENT HEARER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the hearer, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
No. The hearer would only be a thought.

Thank you.

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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:49 pm

Hi Adi,

So when you kind of "sink into" this awareness, what do you FEEL? What do you SEE?


We are looking for very clear shifts in perception. Sometimes it is subtle. Sometimes it hits like a ton of bricks. But if you're looking for a strong shift and yours is subtle, you can miss it. So, stay alert.

You have already said that colors were "vivid" on a walk. That's the shift.

I've sent videos that explain this can come and go.

Most people find that seeking ends. However, some people who are prone to doubt may keep asking and asking when they are finished. That can be very frustrating and keep you looking for pages and pages here. There is no need for that. That would mean there are unrealistic expectations. (We asked about that in my first post to you.)

Do you think that is the case? You have seen, but don't trust it?

Much love,
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Re: Realisation please. Thank you

Postby Adi » Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:58 pm

Hi Stacy ,
So when you kind of "sink into" this awareness, what do you FEEL? What do you SEE?
I am only in this one dimension that is clearer and more alive for the moments that I am aware, hence hearing, seeing, etc.
Do you think that is the case? You have seen, but don't trust it?
I don't think I've seen. No. I think it will take me time to embody a realisation of no self.
I don't expect a mega experience,I actually don't expect anything but I know I did not yet see. I still identify with personal self for most of my day. It does seem that it's getting less absolute, or at least more doubtful, but I did not yet fully get the no self realisation.
Thank you

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