Going ALL the way...

[Eloratea]

I have been scheduled for a webinar with Rupert Spira for quite some time tomorrow morning. There is a huge commitment to being in integrity with this process until it is done. Shall I cancel it?

I don't think it is necessary to cancel it. Do what your heart wants.

And don't make this complicate. It is simple. It is already the case, here, right now. Just thoughts make to much noise to notice it. Yet, there is no you having control over it.
Relax. Have some walk in nature when possible. Feel the life in bigger picture.
Than let me know how it is going.

Sending Love.

[donnalouxxooxx]

Okay, duh.

It's already been seen through a long time ago.

then thoughts of doubt make a whole lot of noise and it is temporarily forgotten.

I think there was an expectation of it all to be gone at once.

Residues cannot cover up the fact that it's been seen through.

just keep looking till all doubt is subsumed

the walk in nature is always a good idea

thanks for the simplicity

I suspect this reply is one that was expected???

[Eloratea]

Only expectation is that you look for yourself and see if there is you in any way or form?

Keep looking till it is clear, and keep writing what comes up.

Stay well!

[donnalouxxooxx]

I find the questions in other posts helpful.
This is a 3 on one.
if there is another guide who is inspired to chime in as well, it would be appreciated.
In the meantime, I'll keep looking and writing!

in deepest gratitude

[donnalouxxooxx]

When the body stops to really look at what is happening, it is easy and plain to see that 'donna' happens only in thought. That's it. Experience happens, thought labels it and the story of Donna, what she likes, what's in her future, things she needs to do, decisions that need to be made, who she likes, the pain in her body, the problems etc... all weave themselves into a made up reality.

Also, there are sensations, often what the mind labels as painful, present in the body when still. It seems they come to the fore. A sense of ownership arises as thoughts claim them, "My back hurts. Owwww, my hips are screaming at me." Me, me, me... all in thought.

Amidst the looking, streams of thought will take attention away, or the weirdest images, like a silly scene of buying sweet potatoes in a store or something, totally random and for those moments, another little world is created on top of what is happening now. awareness focuses down as attention on an object (in this case, image) and the looking is interrupted.

This is also what happens when the body gets up. The looking seems to fade into the background and the sense of 'me' comes to the fore. It seems the movement of the body also causes the thoughts to speed up. When thoughts speed up, the seem real, like the blades of a fan when going at a fast rate, appear to be solid when they are in fact individual blades.

It is especially still believable around thoughts about planning what is next and decisions. When there is a thought, "I need to go to the store." and then the action to do so follows, that feels like someone is doing something. When it is slowed down, there is the ability to see through this, but then everything speeds up and confusion is born again.

There is sometimes a recognition that the sense Donna flashes in and out of constant awareness rather than donna's awareness coming and going, but this too is inconsistant.

When the thought, "There is no Donna." contemplated, not a lot happens. The solidity of the body feels more dense. Sometimes the 'pain' gets more intense, but there's no great fear or anything.

The other weird thing is conversations or writing. It's just like thoughts, full of 'me' and "I". How is that dealt with? Does it fall away or is it just seen for what it is, a big sham.

It also seems like there is a choice to serve the voice of limitation or the voice of what is known to be more true, that if I am anything, I am awareness itself, manifesting as all points of view.

How can it be so clear and so vague?

That's it for today.

Eloratea, I have personally invited Metta and Ilona to join this thread.

Metta has agreed and I have not heard back from Ilona.

There is a burning to have this done.

[Eloratea]

Donna,

is there you breathing right now, or it is just breathing happening?
Is there you doing the seeing or it is just seeing?
Is there you reading this, thinking thoughts?

Stay focused on the actual, direct experience.
Is there anything missing in this moment?

[donnalouxxooxx]

Hell my dearest guide,

First, I wasn't totally clear that I was only to use one guide when Ilona said you were a perfect guide. I apologize for this over sight and am happy to do that. I guess there is a lot of impatience arising because freedom feels do damned close. thoughts says more is better!!! So, there's that.

Overall, there is so much more ease... this crept up. There was a noticing that situations which used to cause so much turmoil or worry just don't. There is more harmony in relationships. I don't have a place to live after Nov. 13th and there is ZERO stress around that. In fact, there's even excitement! Like, "Wow, I wonder what life will unfold for this body mind!"

(you)

is there you breathing right now, or it is just breathing happening?
Is there you doing the seeing or it is just seeing?
Is there you reading this, thinking thoughts?

Stay focused on the actual, direct experience.
Is there anything missing in this moment?

to answer the questions:

Breathing happening... body appears to breathe, but on an even deeper looking, breathing can be seen as sensation and perception, both having no substancial nature but are made of experiencing. Wow, this whole thing is a hologram, only seeming real due to the overlap of fields of sensing.

Everything is made out of one thing, that which experiences it. I guess that's what people mean when they say "Who you really are..." but I AM is as much of a label as 'Donna'. The futility of labeling is very silly, but it happens anyway. I guess so the characters in the hologram can take about it.

When there seems to be a 'me' seeing, it's only a sensation in something labeled as eyes, which cannot even be proved to be there. Even the label 'eyes' is just a sensation. That sensation makes it seem like someone is looking.
As soon as there appears to be 'distance', sure enough a sensation has arisen and a label to go along with it.

Donna is a combinatory pattern of thought, sensation and perception. All things seeming to have a substancial nature do not. They only appear to when the different fields of sensing overlap so to speak.

It's funny, as reading happens, thought sounds out the words and then comments on them, giving them meaning.

Life happens, thought creates a story about it.

That's all I can see that even happens.

Last night I watched what happened when thought gave a label to the visual image it calls 'hand'. Immediately, there was the feeling of a hand, clear and distinct. The only thing that brought a hand into existence, was the naming of it. When it was examined closely without thinking, there was an image with various shapes and colors, not distinct from any other shape or color in the field of seeing. There was also just this field of feeling. The moment the words hand arose, the image took on the quality of a solid object, separate from the other 'objects', the energy formed itself into the shape and "Voila!" the appearence of hand.

This is how Donnalou is created too. The thought of donna or me or I makes that so. If there is a belief that Donna exists, she does. So be it. The image stands out from all the rest and there are feelings that conform themselves to take the shape of a body.

I found out the word "exist' means to stand out.

Donnalou doesn't exist. There is a visual perception which has been named and given reality by a simultaneous feeling that conforms to whatever label the mind gives it.

There may still be some remnants, but it seems like "I'm" through.

If there is a thought I'm not, I know what that is.

It is all made up.

The creative energy of life seems to bend to the word.

Why would there ever be uttered another limited thought?

In deepest gratitude,

Awareness, God, Presence, Life, Beingness, I AM

all labels for nothing materially everything potentially

[donnalouxxooxx]

so crazy...
here it is just a bit later and now there is uncertainty
did you have this back and forth?
I do not want to stop if there is any uncertainty whatsoever.
It seems the sense of 'donna' comes back in personal interactions and yet it is known there is no person there!!!
A letter to someone was being written expressing appreciations and all of a sudden amidst the "I"s and the "you's" being written, uncertainty arose.

this feels a little schizophrenic

help...

[Eloratea]

Hi Donna,

This is 3 on 1 section and it is ok if some other guides join us as well. But it is not critical for your seeing :)

And you have done a lot of good work so far.

I do not want to stop if there is any uncertainty whatsoever.

Sure.

It seems the sense of 'donna' comes back in personal interactions and yet it is known there is no person there!!!

Good. It is a long time conditioning, thoughts come back, they trigger feelings, i.e. body sensations and there it goes…But I think you already know how to look through it.
There is nothing substantial, yet the story of Donna on conventional level has to be accepted. Knowing it for what it is.

A letter to someone was being written expressing appreciations and all of a sudden amidst the "I"s and the "you's" being written, uncertainty arose.

Thoughts and feelings... :) it is ok. It really takes time till residue beliefs dissolve.
Relax. Look. Is there „I“ to come and go? Or just thoughts and feelings?
If feelings arise, of whatever kind, just feel them fully.
Whatever comes into experience, needs to be experienced. But content of thoughts doesn't need to be believed unconditionally.

Let me know how it is today and if you feel ready for final questions.

Love.

[donnalouxxooxx]

Hi Eloratea,
What was observed today was much more awareness of the 'I" and 'me' thoughts accompanied by other thoughts about 'wait, wait, wait... there is no me'.
There is perhaps a little stickiness left seeing that everything is happening on it's own, but upon looking, it becomes obvious.
It seems a spot on observation about the residue.
Visually, it is being seen how the story about objects make them seem to have hard edges and stand out as independent things. The focus has always been operating in this manner, now it is becoming more diffused. No appearance has more significance than another. It is the way attention is being paid that makes any one thing stand out more than another.
In viewing the body in the mirror without the story of 'donna', it was particularly obvious 'she' was made to stand out by the story.
The looking seems to be more frequent today, yet still gets veiled by bubbles of me in thoughts and images.
Clearly the mind confused itself by thinking the body had an independent nature.
The interesting thing that gives pause to the last questions is the 'reminders' in the mind make it seem like it is an intellectual understanding. thoughts will say, "Remember, this is a hologram. "You" have seen it. Everything is made of awareness. This cannot be 'real' in and of itself."
It appears there is still a lurking belief that 'Donna' will disappear rather than just given her a supporting role as opposed to the lead in the movie. Awareness/looking becomes primary.
This intense looking probably will melt into resting when it is 100% clear there is no 'me' in anything.

I'd like to receive your input on this post and then perhaps just rest with all this before answering the last questions and/or claiming anything.

I really appreciate your gentle guidance. It was thought to be too light-handed, but then it became obvious no great force was needed.

I wish to stay involved in supporting others as sharing any insights and deeper wisdom seems to take the recognition deeper. Would that be possible and if so, what are the steps?

Also, I notice there is a way to write without the use of "I" and 'You'. It seems to be happening on its own to support this recognition.

It was never needed.

so much love and thanks,

d

[donnalouxxooxx]

There is doubt and fear that this passing is just a belief.
I cannot be sure because is there is not an I to be sure, only a thought that wants to be sure.
Thought cannot be sure.
Why does this feel like torture at times/?
No, it doesn't.
The mind says that and the body is just fine.
What bullshit.

[Eloratea]

It appears there is still a lurking belief that 'Donna' will disappear rather than just given her a supporting role as opposed to the lead in the movie. Awareness/looking becomes primary.
This intense looking probably will melt into resting when it is 100% clear there is no 'me' in anything.

Can you see that thoughts give meaning to anything? As long as mind projects „me“ it seems that there is one separate self. Ones this belief is destroyed different perception of reality begins.
But between thoughts there is always at disposal pure, clear seeing. Pure awareness. Rest there :)

I wish to stay involved in supporting others as sharing any insights and deeper wisdom seems to take the recognition deeper. Would that be possible and if so, what are the steps?

Sure, once you answer final questions and other guides agree on your seeing, you can join here in guiding.

Also, I notice there is a way to write without the use of "I" and 'You'. It seems to be happening on its own to support this recognition.

Great, if it feels natural. But it is also ok to use „I“ as it is part of the language we all speak. It doesn't have to cloud our seeing.

There is doubt and fear that this passing is just a belief.
I cannot be sure because is there is not an I to be sure, only a thought that wants to be sure.
Thought cannot be sure.
Why does this feel like torture at times/?
No, it doesn't.
The mind says that and the body is just fine.
What bullshit.

I think you cleared this by yourself :)
Thoughts come and go. If not believed and followed, they liberate themselves :) This is good example.
Any doubts left?
Is there you having experience, or it is just an experience?
Does arising of any thought or feeling mean that there is you?

Love.

[donnalouxxooxx]

Dear one,
I awoke in the middle of the night to find your reply. Ahhhh, relief!

Can you see that thoughts give meaning to anything?

Yes, thought gives meaning to EVERYTHING, including "ME" as awareness. No I AM or 'me;, just labels, again and again, separating everything.

As long as mind projects „me“ it seems that there is one separate self. Ones this belief is destroyed different perception of reality begins.

Yes, thought gives rise to a sense of me. This was proven the other day. There was no such thing as a hand the other day until it was labeled 'hand'. thought brought the 'feeling of it' into existence and then it had an independent nature. In reality, there is no hand. Only when it declared by thought to be a hand is it one.

The same goes for me. Awareness IS. Always. All ways. Everything comes and goes out of it by the mere labeling of it. I think "I" and "I" appears. No thought, no "I". I does not exist outside of thought. It is clear.

But between thoughts there is always at disposal pure, clear seeing. Pure awareness. Rest there :)

Can't help but. It is the sense of I that is birthed from this Already Isness. Awareness does not come and go, just like the hand, the sense of a person comes and goes in awareness.

Any doubts left?
Is there you having experience, or it is just an experience?
Does arising of any thought or feeling mean that there is you?

No, no doubts left.
Self is just an experience. The 'sense' of me only exists as a result of belief and is experienced like all other appearances, a bubble in a pot of boiling soup. Seems like a different substance, but not. All made of the soup of awareness.

Love back.

Would love to answer the final questions if they have not been answered already.

And then support others. I have the time and cannot think of a better way to use it than this.

[Eloratea]

Here are the questions.

• Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
  
  What the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works?
  
  How would you describe it to someone who never heard about it, but have interest?
  
  How does it feel to see this?
  
  What was the last bit that "made click to happen" and made you see through the illusion of self?

Take your time and answer simply and honestly.
Till later.

[donnalouxxooxx]

Here are the questions.

• Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
  
  What the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works?
  
  How would you describe it to someone who never heard about it, but have interest?
  
  How does it feel to see this?
  
  What was the last bit that "made click to happen" and made you see through the illusion of self?

The only place a 'me' of any kind is ever evident is in thought. Period. Me is a story that the mind continually plays to interpret life from the eyes of separation. Sometimes sensations arise, but even that is just sensation until the mind labels it as me/body.

The simple description of what it is, when it starts and how it works.

When the body is born, there is no sense of self. A baby does not experience itself as separate from anything else. It is only with the introduction of language, in the form of labels and descriptions, does the idea of separation begin. For example a 'nose' is labeled a individual and separate thing from an 'ear', yet they are part of one body. When the label is applied over and over, the baby forgets the inherent oneness of things and starts to identify everything as having an independent nature. In short, language cuts everything into pieces, the diffused nature of awareness becomes attention that is narrowly focused on individual objects and the ability to see the whole picture becomes impossible. The body/mind is only a point of view in the view, thinking itself as a 'me' against the world. the illusionary separate self is made out of limited thoughts of fear and resistance. The faster thoughts spin, the more dense they become and the character seems real.

When one starts to recognize the changeless, timeless awareness from which thought arises, everything starts to slow down and the fabric of a separate self begins to lose its integrity. It becomes easy to see it is only belief that makes up the self, made more real by accompanying sensations and perceptions.

The creative, limitless energy of awareness obeys belief. It bows to belief. It is as simple as that. When it is seen that the personal identity is but a false belief, and that belief is seen for the lie that it is, everything starts to unwind and it becomes apparent no one is controlling reality, but life is living itself as all things.

To see this, it feels simple and ordinary, actually. There is an ease that has not been experienced before and a significant decrease in fear of any kind.

I went to bed with still a sliver of doubt and woke up the next morning and the doubt was gone. It's been a gentle unfolding for quite some time with deep looking. Something about this process just finished it off.

I sent the website to a few friends and one called me to ask me some questions. Within about ten minutes, she was through the gate. I cannot express how grateful I am for the simplicity and look forward to being a guide for others when approved.

with heart felt joy and deep appreciation,

really?

all that searching for naught...

no one to search

no one to find

just experiencing

and it's multitudinous expressions

like bubbles in a pot of boiling soup

each bubble seeming like it's something different

but it's just soup

through and through

blessings and grins