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[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Which 3 questions please? Kindly guide me, as I cannot see them.

No, my mothers tounge is not english. It is Norwegian.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

These are the 2 questions :

You said :"there is definitely a clearer seeing of that it is no self"

what do you mean by seeing?

What do you see that lets you know there is no real self?

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Dear Warissem

Thank you

there is definitely a clearer seeing of that it is no self"

what do you mean by seeing?

There is a sort of energy that seems to be gone. There is no «me» who can be grateful. There is no me who needs to know something. There is no me who can judge anymore. There is no me who has hope. There is no me who believes in spirituality. There is no me who seeks something to feel peace. It’s just felt and seen that peace is already what is. Everything is unconditional love, but not love as what the me has been taught. Unconditional love can appear as any form of emotions and happenings in the story. Emotions seems to be energies, and energy seems to be all that is.

What do you see that lets you know there is no real self?

It is not seen in a visual way, but a seeing in a what’s appearing to happen as described above. There simply just is no me.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Good morning Miko

Vince wants to see you in a zoom meeting. You are invited to join here :

May 9, 2022 05:00 AM Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney. You convert to your time zone.

Join Zoom Meeting
Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Report your feelings after the meeting.

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

The stomach hurts.

I’ve been checking my email to see if I received any respons from you every day, several times a day. Now suddenly many unread emails seemed to get in from the 7th of May until today.

I truly apologise for the inconvenience. I completely understand this doesn’t look good as I am replying the same day as suggested meeting. There’s nothing else to say than I am truly sorry about this and hopefully there will be a chance for a new meeting.

Apologising again.

Best regards

Miko

[Hamano]

Dear Warissem

Sorry, I saw it luckily is tomorrow, not today. There was a tense energy happening, so I didn’t got my head quite with me :)

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

I suggest for you a deepening of the seeing of no self. To begin with : what are the beliefs which are still operating ?
Is the ego mechanics still operating ? In which circumstances ?

Thank you

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Miko

If you want to join, there is a link :

May 23, 2022 05:00 AM Canberra time zone
Jun 6, 2022 05:00 AM
Join Zoom Meeting
Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Thanks for information about the meeting.

To begin with : what are the beliefs which are still operating ?

First thing coming up is the «me’ing» when I am dating.

Is the ego mechanics still operating ?

Yes

In which circumstances ?

There seem to be when I am aftaid of getting abandoned.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

First thing coming up is the «me’ing» when I am dating.

I don't understand what you mean. Would you give an example ?

There seem to be when I am aftaid of getting abandoned.

Have you seen really that "I" is a concept ? What "I" is afraid ? What is getting abandoned ? Look at direct experience before giving the answers.

Even it is seen through the illusion of a separate self, there is still egotic mechanism operating. it is due to conditionings and tendencies, old beliefs : it will take time to fall down.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

First thing coming up is the «me’ing» when I am dating.
I don't understand what you mean. Would you give an example ?

When dating is happening in the story of Miko, there seems to be arising a lot of emotions. F ex, there seems to be a lot of energy happening in the body when thoughts as being rejected is believed. There is no me, but there is still what's appears to happen. A story in the story that is believed and not believed at the same time. It is just energy happening, which is absolutely "fine" (fine as in a natural acceptance and surrender to the apparent life) as there is no one who can control or choose anything. It's emptiness and aliveness happening all at once.

There seem to be when I am aftaid of getting abandoned.
Have you seen really that "I" is a concept ? What "I" is afraid ? What is getting abandoned ? Look at direct experience before giving the answers.

There is no one who can see a concept. There is a body and there is a concept in the story. Emotions are happening and energy is happening. In the story there seems to be a drop and also no drop at times. It is all inclusive (sometimes all at once), which makes it empty and alive as well. This is just what seems to be happening.

Even it is seen through the illusion of a separate self, there is still egotic mechanism operating. it is due to conditionings and tendencies, old beliefs : it will take time to fall down.

That is seen. There seems to be a "deepening" going on - for no one. And the result seems to be that there is no one who has attachment to certain outcomes or need for control or need for knowing. Apparent life is just what's appearing to happen. It is just what is.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Good evening

When dating is happening in the story of Miko, there seems to be arising a lot of emotions. F ex, there seems to be a lot of energy happening in the body when thoughts as being rejected is believed.

What do you mean by energy ? Is energy seen or heard ? Do you mean sensations in the body ?
Who or what is being rejected ? Is it a body ? A you ? Miko ?

There is no me, but there is still what's appears to happen. A story in the story that is believed and not believed at the same time. It is just energy happening, which is absolutely "fine" (fine as in a natural acceptance and surrender to the apparent life) as there is no one who can control or choose anything. It's emptiness and aliveness happening all at once.

Are you really in phase of what is going on here now or are you lost in what you read in books ? It is of no help to believe that there is no you, no one there, there is a need to SEE the absence of the separate self like you see the absence of a tiger under your bed.

There is no one who can see a concept. There is a body and there is a concept in the story. Emotions are happening and energy is happening. In the story there seems to be a drop and also no drop at times. It is all inclusive (sometimes all at once), which makes it empty and alive as well. This is just what seems to be happening.

If there is no one here, what is reading and understanding these words on the screen ?

That is seen. There seems to be a "deepening" going on - for no one. And the result seems to be that there is no one who has attachment to certain outcomes or need for control or need for knowing. Apparent life is just what's appearing to happen. It is just what is.

You are using the langage of Tony Parson. Please, tell me what has changed from the beginning of this dialog ?
Is there an end of the seeking ?
Is there suffering, fear, anxiety ?
Are you aware ?

Be honest in your answers, 100 % honest.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Before I reply to the previous message, may I ask if there is a certain distrust in believing what is written to you?

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

I trust what you say, there is no problem. I am just pushing the ego to express itself : this is a part of the deepening process. There is another question : would you pinpoint the trigger of your reaction (your last post) ? Your last post, will it be written if there is no egotic mechanism going on ? Do you see that ?

I am waiting for the answers to the last post and to this post.
Don't worry, there is no judgement here.

I wish you the best

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

I am glad you told me and I understand. Last time I didn’t express myself as I felt it didn’t really matter what «you were thinking».

But I will try to make an expression and answer to:

would you pinpoint the trigger of your reaction (your last post) ? Your last post, will it be written if there is no egotic mechanism going on ? Do you see that ?

Judgements seemed to not cross my mind as there is no judgements here or there. It’s just pure unconditional emptyness that’s felt.

An idea crossed my mind as it seemed like your mind was analysing rather than actually reading what was written. Then it seemed like the purity of the energetic part in my written words was missed. So I stopped and wanted to clarify what was happening over there so you didn’t spend more time than needed on me and that we missed eachother in this «process». It was more like an «unconditional» thing as I respect your time if it makes sense. I could say that it was the ego as I can see why it is questioned, but then it would be a lie. The words and the appearance may seem similar to an ego’s reaction, but these words are beyond with emptyness. It’s just directedness with no filter and a preferance to continue purity.

Another expression:

It is seen that words are empty and it doesn’t really matter at the end. And particularly who’s words «mine» are similar to or not. There are no one and words seems to just be an unpure concept which seems hard to use when describing what can’t be described - as it is «too pure».

I don’t know if this makes sense, but these words are what’s seemingly appearing.

Best regards

Miko