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[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Thanks for your guidance. However I can not visually see, smell, touch, taste or hear on direct experience that there is a difference between the label «friend» and «me». Can you explain a bit closer what is meant please?

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Good morning

Thanks for your guidance. However I can not visually see, smell, touch, taste or hear on direct experience that there is a difference between the label «friend» and «me». Can you explain a bit closer what is meant please?

Yes, labels are concepts. You can put a label "wine" on a glass of water, it won't change the water in wine.

You said :

There seem to be a more aliveness in the «me-character». Like this is «live» experience and a feeling of experiencer

Is there really aliveness in a thought ?
Can you describe where an experiencer is delt in the body ?

The question you have not answered yet is : are you seeing the screen, in direct experience ? Elaborate on your answer.

Thanks

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Is there really aliveness in a thought ?
Can you describe where an experiencer is delt in the body ?

No, it seems to just be energy

The question you have not answered yet is : are you seeing the screen, in direct experience ? Elaborate on your answer.

Yes. The screen is seen in direct experience

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

It seems that there is an urge to answer to my questions. It seems that asking to the questions in the right way will set you free. It is not the case. There is a need to look at what is going on in your daily activities 24/7. Example : I am reading on the screen. Ask the question for yourself : is there an I reading ? Look around if you will find it then give the answer to yourself. You do the same thing to all your activities during the day and let me know how it goes.

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Haha ok. That’s why it happened that I didn’t reply immediately before. There seemed to be a preferance for a deeper looking.

I will have a deeper look and reply after.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Yes, good. Take your time for it.

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

I have been looking for a couple of days now in different activities.

There seems to slightly be seen that there is no one, but there is still a believe/sense of «me» looking, feeling, tasting etc.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

There seems to slightly be seen that there is no one, but there is still a believe/sense of «me» looking, feeling, tasting etc.

When you see that there is no one, how can a belief continue to stand against reality. Now, the sense of me is different from a belief in the existence of a me. Just clarify for yourself : what is a sense of me as expression in the body ? Where is it located ? Look and come back with your observations.

PS : continue to look at your daily activities.

Thanks

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

So I have been looking well when activities are done. Or even sitting and just being.

However, it is still a sort of seeing that there is just things appearing to happen. Emotions happens. Smiling happens. Working out happens. But there is still a sense of a separation. A «me» and «you».

The sense of «me» is not located anywhere in the body. It seems to just be a thought/beliefe, but so strong that it is still believed.

Sending my warmest regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

So I have been looking well when activities are done. Or even sitting and just being.

Good.

However, it is still a sort of seeing that there is just things appearing to happen. Emotions happens. Smiling happens. Working out happens. But there is still a sense of a separation. A «me» and «you».

Yes, you notice that there is no you doing things but there a sense of a separation, you said. This sense of separation is due to the identification with the body.
You can go back to the investigation of the body in a previous post and do it again : when doing it, ask "is the knowing of the sensations localized ? Is there a separation between the felt sensations and the sounds heard ? Look at direct experience without the bias of imagination and thoughts.

The sense of «me» is not located anywhere in the body. It seems to just be a thought/beliefe, but so strong that it is still believed.

Yes the sense of me can be a thought : can a thought I, me have beliefs ? The beliefs are for whom ?

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Ok thank you. Please give me some time to have a deep look.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Good evening

Take your time for it.

Have a good looking

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

I hope you had a great weekend.

So here is what is seen:

There is no location of a felt sensation or sounds. Sounds and sensations are just appearing. Sometimes strong sensations are felt in mid body, and sometimes sensations are felt when touching something. But it’s just arising from nowhere and dissapears.

It’s also seen that:

There is seemingly a body, but there is no «me».

There is apparently character traits happening, but there is no one who has a character.

There’s emotions happening, but no one it happens to.

There are seemingly relationships happening, but no one to have a personal relationship with.

Sending my warmest regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Yes, you have done great observations. Now, there is an exercise for you.

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience. Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:-

How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Take 2mn watching for each question.

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Drar Warissem

I apologise for mye late reply. There has been a lot to do the last days, however I am «back» to focus on this.

Movement is just happening
Thoughts about moving hand is happening
There is no controller
There is no deciscions, it’s just thoughts and movement happening
There is no one or nothing who choses, it’s just what’s happening
There is no separate individual

Best regards

Miko