Seeing what is

[InspireMe54]

Look, isn't it more like there is walking accompanied by the thought "I am paying attention else I might get lost"?

Yes, I see there is walking accompanied by a thought

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Then the question should be who is trying to let go of himself? Are you trying to figure it all out or are there a lot of thoughts making it seem like there is a you doing that?

Yes- I see there are thoughts that make it seem like I'm making decisions etc.

No that is the thing in the end there is no you as "the client" or a me as "the guide" and no "gate" we need to go through, no one's time is either wasted or put to good use, everything unfolding as it does…

Everything unfolding as it does - I can still be grateful 🤍

I will get back to you on the exercises you have kindly sent. Thank you for your encouragement.

[InspireMe54]

Hi Machiel.
Just a quick note to let you know that I've completed these exercises and answered your pointer questions twice today. This morning, the internet said page could not be found when I tried to post.
I have just completed the whole thing now and, again the same thing happened. Just wanted to let you know in case you think I'm not responding. Hopefully you'll get this message and I'll do the exercises and questions a third time tomorrow- maybe that's the reason for these happenings.
Good night for now.
Philomena

[InspireMe54]

Since my little message managed to send, I thought I'd try again-

This process here is a simple theory there is no self anywhere look. Like let the eyes go shut and there is blackness seen, are you doing the seeing?

No. I'm not doing the seeing

Then open eyes everything is seem, are you in it? Or just experience of the senses, thoughts possibly leading to emotions like always but is a separate you in it?
No- I'm realising this now

If you look for what is behind all that, is there anything there doing this? Some owner or doer? Or is it that there is just thinking, sensing, emoting but no thinker, senser or emoter that is the owner of them?

It seems there is just thinking, sensing, feeling etc going on

Palm Flipping Exercise
How is the movement controlled?

I don't know

Does a thought control it?

No

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought
MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

I honestly don't know. I can think a thought to turn the hand but the hand doesn't turn so the thought is not turning the hand.

Who or what​ ​chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

I don't know- it feels like there's a knowing which hand to turn but I can't find it

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or
down?

No

Raising Hand Exercise
Don't go to thoughts, examine your direct experience. Do this as many times as you like,
and each time inquire:-
What is it exactly that is choosing which hand to raise?

I don't know

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is doing the choosing?

No

What is it that is controlling the hand?

It feels like something / a knowing of some sort is moving the hand but I can't trace this knowing.

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

Can anything be found that makes the hand move?

No
How is the decision made?
I honestly don't know.

Stay with direct experience, don't go into the thought content which is never actually the truth, that is only going into story land, see? It will not work along with seeing it's own nonexistence, so it is not relevant what mind thinks, what is mind, can you find the mind behind the thoughts?

No. I can't find the mind behind the thoughts. Thoughts are happening- I am aware they are happening.

OK I'm going to try a third time to post this. best wishes.

[Life]

No. I'm not doing the seeing

Ok.

No- I'm realising this now

Alright so have you seen there is no you? How does that feel?

It seems there is just thinking, sensing, feeling etc going on

Does there seem to be just sensing, feeling, thinking going on without a separate self controlling it? This is the thing to look at really focus in on this, what is really happening and what seems to happen! Like the Keystone in a bridge which holds everything together, focus in on the Keystone of self, is it there or not! You have to find this one thing out… One moment of total honest looking, do I actually exist separately or it only seems that way very convincingly?

Palm Flipping Exercise
How is the movement controlled?

I don't know

Does a thought control it?

No

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought
MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

I honestly don't know. I can think a thought to turn the hand but the hand doesn't turn so the thought is not turning the hand.

So your not thinking.

Who or what? chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
I don't know- it feels like there's a knowing which hand to turn but I can't find it

Or is it just movement without a mover? Hand moved combined with the knowing?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or
down?

No

Raising Hand Exercise
Don't go to thoughts, examine your direct experience. Do this as many times as you like,
and each time inquire:-
What is it exactly that is choosing which hand to raise?

I don't know

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is doing the choosing?

No

What is it that is controlling the hand?

It feels like something / a knowing of some sort is moving the hand but I can't trace this knowing.

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

Can anything be found that makes the hand move?

No

How is the decision made? - honestly don't know.

So movements happened, then thoughts "I" did that, but can you find this I, look!

No. I can't find the mind behind the thoughts. Thoughts are happening- I am aware they are happening.

Are you aware of it or is there awareness of it, are you awareness?

Forum has some technical problems, they are working on it but cannot seem to find it so it seems,

Machiel

[Life]

Philomena how are things going? Please respond from how your view right now, it does not need to be perfect just honest. Don't make this big in your head. Life is already happening, are you also happening? Just typing, breathing etc what comes up?

Life

[InspireMe54]

Philomena how are things going? Please respond from how your view right now, it does not need to be perfect just honest. Don't make this big in your head. Life is already happening, are you also happening? Just typing, breathing etc what comes up?

Hi Machiel,

Sorry- I didn't see that you had responded. I' wrote a lot of 'I don't knows' regarding what or who is experiencing the experiences. This is because it's hard to put words to it except words like awareness or consciousness. right now typing is happening, hearing is happening, awareness of sounds around the body, awareness of sensations in the body. In reponse to your question 'am I happening?' I would say happening is happening to me or through me.
How are you doing? Have a beautiful day ...

[Life]

Philomena how are things going? Please respond from how your view right now, it does not need to be perfect just honest. Don't make this big in your head. Life is already happening, are you also happening? Just typing, breathing etc what comes up?

Hi Machiel,

Sorry- I didn't see that you had responded. I' wrote a lot of 'I don't knows' regarding what or who is experiencing the experiences. This is because it's hard to put words to it except words like awareness or consciousness. right now typing is happening, hearing is happening, awareness of sounds around the body, awareness of sensations in the body. In reponse to your question 'am I happening?' I would say happening is happening to me or through me.
How are you doing? Have a beautiful day ...

Ok please also reply to the other post though.
What is me?
Could be "better" thanks.

[Life]

Are "you" still there? What has been going on? You have not posted here for 6 days now so there is a choice now either we quit now or we go on with this until the "finish line", we both post at least every other day and post it if we cannot like we agreed or you stay in la la land playing the spiritual game never seeing for yourself the truth we claim here. It might seem like an I persuading an I but is this so? Here there is seeing, hearing, touching, tasting, smelling, awareness of a body, things happening, thoughts and feelings about it and a sense of self. A sense of there being someone over there I am pointing out the absence of self. There same thing except a doubt, not knowing if the sense of self points to anything or there is nothing there.

All the exercises are meant for one thing only, LOOK for yourself, nothing that special, you either see it or you don't. So be honest can you see a separate self anywhere? Could it be that everything appears but a self? States of mind of waking and its contents including what you think is you, dream and its contents including what you think you are then, deep sleep state where are you in all of that? It is not about doing anything or changing anything, removing something. One look is there actually a separate controller of life? Is it your life or just life going on seemingly personal?

Keep looking, is I real or just a label by the mind which labels everything?