Inutero trauma keeping me stuck in illusion. Is there anything that can help this?

[vinceschubert]

Sophie, there is a zoom meeting happening on Sunday that might be of interest and value that I'm inviting you to attend.
Third weekend of every month
Saturday 19th Feb 6 pm-8 pm British time,
Sunday, 20th Feb 10 am-12 am British time
You can join both days or one depending your time zone.
The meetings will be led by Liberation Unleashed guides.
No agenda, no promises or expectations, just being and sharing together.
Here is a link to join
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3718929853...

vince

[vinceschubert]

Oh, and here is the passcode;
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3718929853?pw ... BoUUNwUT09

Meeting ID: 371 892 9853
Passcode: HmbSF4\

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[SophieGoLove]

Thank you Vince.
It’s a yes to the zooms 🙏

[SophieGoLove]

Hi Vince,

I wrote a post and thought it’d sent and now, on my return, found it’s not here. Not sure what happened.

Space tomorrow for connecting and posting.

On zoom in a bit.

Love,
Soph

[SophieGoLove]

Hey Vince,

Lovely to see you earlier.
Thanks for asking my thoughts and connecting.

So...

If from reading this an intention (to watch) arises, then very likely watching will happen.

This is happening more and more everyday. Seeing, listening, feeling....this is happening more...

Swallow the red pill.

I feel I have done. It's taking it's time to activate in my body-mind and dissolve the remaining illusion...

You are sooo close.
Just relax and watch. It's a really interesting show..

Yes, to this. I feel it and mind latches on and throws up frustration - watching frustration...
When you say to just relax and watch, do you think/feel it will all now unravel itself - is there more process to experience to 'push me over'?

And,

'letting myself fall'

.... is this a matter/non-matter of relaxing as best I can every moment, not allowing mind to continue hypnotising me and staying with experience?

On the call earlier I spoke of arrogance here and how there's fear of not knowing the answers/what's going on - not good enough. Is this unnecessary communication that's based in story?

I'm reading the LU book. It's great. Lots sinking in/releasing...

Much Love,

Soph

[vinceschubert]

Good evening Sophie,

Lovely to see you earlier.

really good to see you too. I'm a little sad that I missed the first hour & a half.

Thanks for asking my thoughts and connecting.

it was good to connect that way.

It's taking it's time to activate in my body-mind and dissolve the remaining illusion...

That is still happening here too. i imagine that it never ends while we are still kicking.

Yes, to this. I feel it and mind latches on and throws up frustration - watching frustration...

Good stuff. Less and less of it will occur as you get better at seeing it happen.

not allowing mind to continue hypnotising me and staying with experience?

Yes, the quickest way out of mind stuff is to focus on body.

On the call earlier I spoke of arrogance here and how there's fear of not knowing the answers/what's going on - not good enough. Is this unnecessary communication that's based in story?

You said that just as I arrived and I didn't get it. Thinking that I must have missed context. I'm still not sure what you mean, but guessing that you are asking if the need to know answers is a story? (correct me)
It is a cult(rural) presumption that every question has answers. in my experience I have many question that either don't have answers or doesn't need one.
in fact (ha) I go as far as to say that I know nothing. i run on beliefs (stories)

I'm reading the LU book. It's great. Lots sinking in/releasing...

Good stuff.

with love

vince

[SophieGoLove]

Hiya Vince,
Hope you’re well…

Guessing that you are asking if the need to know answers is a story?

No. I know I don’t need answers; not all questions will be answered. I’m good with that. Silence is an equally powerful ‘answer’.

Thoughts come up and there is an energy to share (not that I’m the one sharing) and I’ve found that speaking the thoughts can activate or allow a movement or shift in the connection to/with the thought. Stickiness can be released by hearing the thoughts…

It was actually a thought about a thought that I questioned you with. The thought came up that I was in story when voicing the arrogance thing. Which as we know is just another thought.

Ownership of speaking and therefore personalising and a new story created in fitting with conditionings perspective. Haha. Such a beautifully subtle mechanism the thought-mind non-mind 😂

A question has come up about tiredness and hormones; these two variables seemingly contribute to being hypnotised by thoughts more, especially the I-thought and stories around it… when I’ve had just a bit of sleep i used to describe it as crazy mind, but know it’s just thoughts now…
What is happening in this?
How can tiredness or hormones affect present experience and cloud the moment?
What is tired… I know there’s no subject or object…
Or is this just more thoughts about thoughts and I’m best simply seeing, hearing, feeling and embracing? :)

Love, Soph

[SophieGoLove]

Ps. Do you know if it will mess up this thread if I change the subject? A thought is here to do so….

[vinceschubert]

Good morning Soph, i have been watching the videos of the 2 zoom meetups. (I'm about an hour into each so far) It's really interesting & a little amazing the different perspectives between the forum and the visual/audible.
i had resisted guiding by zoom (except for these meetups) up till now as I believed the forum allowed time for things to sink in. To be reread. To be able to consider, to reflect before responding. i thought that the immediacy of face to face meant that an important sentence could pass without impact.
Your somewhat unfiltered introduction in the Saturday meeting showed me that there is great value in this kind of interaction. That both together would be more impactful.
With this in mind, I'm thinking to organize a meetup with all of the ones that I'm guiding at the moment. Almost all of you have one foot through the gate, and a final push would do it.
Trying to find a time when the different time zones can coincide is the difficult part.
i will put it to the others and come back to you on this.

Do you know if it will mess up this thread if I change the subject? A thought is here to do so….

I don't know if you are able to, but give it a try and see what happens.

I’ve found that speaking the thoughts can activate or allow a movement or shift in the connection to/with the thought. Stickiness can be released by hearing the thoughts…

Yes. i think that the effort to find words to describe enables something to happen.

A question has come up about tiredness and hormones; these two variables seemingly contribute to being hypnotised by thoughts more, especially the I-thought and stories around it… when I’ve had just a bit of sleep i used to describe it as crazy mind, but know it’s just thoughts now…
What is happening in this?

Yes, absolutely. When we are tired or physically exhausted the mind works differently. The expression becomes much less constrained or filtered.

What is tired… I know there’s no subject or object…

..but there is the experiencing (tiredness)

Or is this just more thoughts about thoughts and I’m best simply seeing, hearing, feeling and embracing? :)

My thoughts are (ha) that thinking is like watching the news on tv. Different channels will give a different take on the same subject or focus on different things. None are actual. In the same way different people are conditioned with different emphasis. All is perspective. So a useful generalization is that all thoughts are fake news. Experiencing is actual so if thoughts are creating suffering then focus on the body. On experiencing.

with love

vince

[SophieGoLove]

Dear Vince,

This is great to hear.
From last weekends zoom calls alone I’ve released a lot.
Collective mirroring and exposure, I find, powerful.
12 step meetings opened me up to group mystery/magic; using group meetings for this purpose is exciting.

Let’s do this 🙏💫

So much Love xx

[SophieGoLove]

Hi Vince,

A useful generalization is that all thoughts are fake news. Experiencing is actual so if thoughts are creating suffering then focus on the body. On experiencing.

HaHa, yes, good to see thoughts as fake news.
Do you know what, there could well be a beautifully, quietly constructed belief that if I ‘escape’ thought-experience by focusing on body it’s a way of bypassing. Going to sit with this and see if it has any weight.

Feeling to speak out and shine awareness on me sharing my experience on here with 3 friends. One of them on similar pathless path. I know speaking about this and anything happening is getting involved in story and taking me away from the truth. I recognise a pattern of wanting to share the process and quite likely, subtley, to appear in some way different to what I might think I am.

I’ve been reading more threads and seeing that I’ve been blocking a ‘depth’ (not sure what word fits here) of liberation simply because I’ve believed I’m not ‘there’ yet. As I accept seeing more, let go of this belief-thought, it’s becoming clearer. Clearing happening.
It’s here. I’m here. There’s hereness. Am I hereing 😄

Much Love,
Soph

[vinceschubert]

Good evening Sophie,

Do you know what, there could well be a beautifully, quietly constructed belief that if I ‘escape’ thought-experience by focusing on body it’s a way of bypassing. Going to sit with this and see if it has any weight.

Good. Spiritual bypassing is a very real trap.
It's the motivation behind the action that you can look at.

I know speaking about this and anything happening is getting involved in story and taking me away from the truth.

Again, check the motivation. If ego enhancement is present...
Most friends and family have a vested interest in you not changing, so will exert pressure to keep the old Sophie around. Be sure that those friends want what you can offer before offering.
We are all excited enough to want to save the world in the early days. It usually leads to suffering. Be careful.

Clearing happening.
It’s here. I’m here. There’s hereness. Am I hereing 😄

Really good stuff.

with great love

vince

[SophieGoLove]

Evening to you in Aus’ Vince…
I spent a year there in 2009/2010 and absolutely loved it!!

It's the motivation behind the action that you can look at.

It feels like sharing has brought this bypassing possibility into seeing and there’s relaxing/opening.
Good to be reminded to focus on motivation.

Be sure that those friends want what you can offer before offering.

Yes, they’re genuinely interested. It’s the occasional dynamics I sense with them that have been seen. Reading a thread you’ve been guiding in brought more seeing and feeling into motivations and where some of what’s being shared is coming from.
Am I announcing things…how much is necessary to share… and so on.

We are all excited enough to want to save the world in the early days. It usually leads to suffering. Be careful.

Yes, been there very much and know the zero benefit factor. I was the biggest wokeist and preacher available! Believing it was ‘me doing good for the world’. Deep love for that movement here.

It’s helpful to see this ‘layer’ of a very subtle ego push.
I know the feeling when ego is speaking and seeing more clearly is bringing the details close.

I’ve been called to connect with Ilona for a session to look into the panic that runs in my body. Is this ok with you and our process?

Love Soph

[vinceschubert]

Good day Soph,

I’ve been called to connect with Ilona for a session to look into the panic that runs in my body. Is this ok with you and our process?

Yes, of course. just bring anything that comes up back here.

It’s helpful to see this ‘layer’ of a very subtle ego push.
I know the feeling when ego is speaking and seeing more clearly is bringing the details close.

Good stuff.
Would you consider guiding on LU when the time is right?

with love

vince

[SophieGoLove]

Hey Vince,

Just bring anything that comes up back here.

Sure thing.

I've reached the 'Seven Steps' in the LU book; I've started writing answers to the questions, any thoughts on this and the process here on The Gate?

Would you consider guiding on LU when the time is right?

Soph of old would've leapt at this opportunity; there is a feeling towards it, however I'd like to wait for that time to make the decision...
Thanks for asking.

Much Love,

Soph