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[Luchana]

Hi Don.

sorry for delay.

Here are some more questions for you:

Investigate the followings one-by-one very carefully. Spend several minutes with each question.

Is there a control over ‘sensations’?
Is there a control over ‘sounds’?
Is there a control over ‘visual image/colors’?
Is there a control over ‘smells’?
Is there a control over ‘tastes’?
Is there a control over ‘thoughts’?

Is there a control over anything?

Much love,
Luchana

[Ovidius]

Is there a control over ‘sensations’?
Is there a control over ‘sounds’?
Is there a control over ‘visual image/colors’?
Is there a control over ‘smells’?
Is there a control over ‘tastes’?
Is there a control over ‘thoughts’?

Is there a control over anything?

Thanks Luchana, After spending minutes on each the same truth shines through all these inquiries.
There is no me that has control over sensation, sounds, images, smells, tastes or thoughts... All happen through this character, there is no I that tastes, just taste happening, the same for each. Although the last question, over anything, I have to look a little deeper, past the disparate hope that I do have control of something. Alas, the reality is NO. Just what is happening as life now.

[Luchana]

Hi Don,

Thanks Luchana, After spending minutes on each the same truth shines through all these inquiries.
There is no me that has control over sensation, sounds, images, smells, tastes or thoughts... All happen through this character, there is no I that tastes, just taste happening, the same for each. Although the last question, over anything, I have to look a little deeper, past the disparate hope that I do have control of something. Alas, the reality is NO. Just what is happening as life now.

Nice :-)

At this point of investigation here in the forum we are mooving slowly to the end. The end to the exploration that there is no one running the show :-) But seeing the self as an illusion is just the first step, just the begining. There will more things falling and more believes will be seen as just this - believes without any single proof in reality at all.

Take a look at this video, which in a very beautiful way explains this moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQcD588g2w&t=309s

What we can do afterword is to give you some final questions and to share your replies with the other guides.Which is not something special, or some kind of validation. Its just a look if the guding was helpful and if I've covered everything.

After this you can explore more areas here in the forum and also join fb group and of course we can continue with our weekly meetings

What do you think?
Are you ready for those questions?

Much love,
Luchana

[Ovidius]

Hi Luchana,

I did watch the recommended Video by Ilona, thanks for sharing it.

I'm ready and happy to receive the next step.

love,
Don

[Luchana]

Hi Don,

all right, I'm sending the questions bellow.


Spent time with each one and look fresh at the moment without relying on memory.

Give examples where are needed.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.


6) Anything to add?


Much love,
Luchana

[Ovidius]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No me, 'I' or separate 'self' has ever existed. Only the illusion that there exists an experiencer of this life that is occurring by itself.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self is a thought that there is an experiencer, knower, or awareness separate from what is happening. To me it starts with thoughts that activate a story which is just more thoughts from the past and thoughts of the future. Continued for or by me by trying to fix the commentary I was having about the story.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

Since there is no one or me to answer :), There is a peace that permeates and a spacious aliveness that resonates just below or from within whatever is happening.  The biggest difference is not judging my moment/experience as not 'enough' that I should be more than what is happening, my me always had (has) a value judgment if this is enough and from me it was not and seeking a better state was my continual focus or my reason to escape.   There is a subtle joy of  being the energy of "This is it", just as it is.  Hard to articulate, but there is now a freedom that wondrously evolves from fully being the current this is it, in fact, what I've always wanted is happening as this.  Regardless of the form, I resonate with the energy hidden in what is happening as everything/nothing is being this. I'm amazed at the wow that shines through the most 'nothing' moments. :)   

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

The last bit for me was a deep looking a few weeks ago into a reaction that I was having to Luchana's questions, I felt not seen that she did not hear or see me.  That became my deep looking focus into who or what was not being seen or heard? which led to a vast spaciousness where the me not being seen, not being enough was not present and seen just as a thought.

[quote5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.][/quote]

From free of ME how can one describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control, each of these only function if one believes in and acts from the illusion of a separate self.  It remains a mystery to me how things happen and how things work, if you know answers to this, please point me in that direction. To 'me' its unknowable and yet exciting.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

Nothing and Everything, responsible for nothing as a character or person, but at the same time in the unknowable nature of existence, being one with all I must also be the source of all that happens.

6) Anything to add?

I have gratitude for Luchana, Ilonia and all who make liberation unleashed possible. I feel at the beginning of an eternal journey, with no one leading the way.

[Luchana]

Hi Don,

thank you for your replies. I'm going to share them with the other guides and they may or may not have some additional questions for you. This may take some time.

I will come back later.

Much love,
Luchana

[Luchana]

Hi Don.

there is a one question (request) from a friend.

Can you give examples in questions 5a and 5b?

a - From your daily life about decision, intention, free will, choice and control

b - What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.


Much love,
Luchana

[Ovidius]

a - From your daily life about decision, intention, free will, choice and control

My example is very recent. :)
5 b) In essence, decisions, intention, free will etc. arise in an organic way, a self evident follow through without a self. Being moved by life happening as that. Previously my me would refer to the above list as my choices, control and etc. Now just how life is living through this character now. Like answering this question tonight, as often is the case I woke up in the middle of the night with a lot of sensation of energy flowing and moving. Previously there would be an identifying that this experience is happening to me, what to do with it, how to best allow for all this energy. Now a knowing that this is just life being life as this energy flow, I'm not responsible for it yet in the past I'd get caught up in what to do with all this energy emerging. Tonight I was in the immediacy of energy happening, no me filtering the experience which became like I was a starburst, I was not having the experience I was this energy and a knowing that this is the same life energy that is happening in everything and everyone all the time.
5 a) Then unlike past where my me would struggle to either go with or resist this energy, loving it and hating that it was in the middle of the night, haha. I was just moved to look at my inbox saw these questions and unquestioningly began to respond as if the decision, intention etc. was made free of me and I am here writing this response.
love, Don

[Luchana]

Hi Don.

thank you for your replies.

Here is one more question from a friend:

When you say things like "responsible for nothing as a character or person" or "life is living through this character now" what do you mean? Looking at present evidence can you describe what you mean when you write about character and person? What is this character, what is this person?

Much love,
Luchana

[Ovidius]

When you say things like "responsible for nothing as a character or person" or "life is living through this character now" what do you mean? Looking at present evidence can you describe what you mean when you write about character and person? What is this character, what is this person?

By Character I am referring to that which exists, or is existence happening as this human being. Character refers to this human being not a ME or separate self person. This human being with certain conditioning that shows up as the thoughts, activities and emotions arising. By Character I'm attempting to make a distinction between the ME that previously would say the emotion, thoughts and activities belong to me. The present evidence is there is an existence here (character), but no owner separate from that existence. Some refer to character as person, but I'm not referring to the me. Still have to use words. :)

Thank you for your questions.
love,
Don

[Luchana]

Hi Don.

Thank you for taking time to answeting the last questions.

The other guides have no other questions for you which means that you crashed the Gateless Gate so to speak. But as you already know - there is no one to crash the gate, there is no gate even :-)

Keep an eye for a private message from the admin. Or maybe you have already received it. I've noticed that your name turned into blue.

There are lot of possibilities to continue investigation here in the forum and also in FB, where is an aftercare group - I will be waiting you there.

It has been such a pleasure and joy to accompany you here. Thank you for the trust, for your openness and willingness to LOOK.

And as you know - this is just the first step, just the begining and not the end.

Isn't it amazing?

Much love
Luchana

[Ovidius]

Thank you Luchana and all the amazing guides at liberation unleashed and all my fellow explorers and finders of what is real

[Luchana]

Thanks Don,

Much love
Luchana