Clear vision

[Lilpil]

How do you know that the I that the story is sticking to doesn’t exist?

The I was never seen in the story itselfe,but the I was felt as contraction in the body especially in the back of the neck and also other places in the body. Now when realized that I is not real, story can com without contraction in the neck.

[Lilpil]

How do you know that the I that the story is sticking to doesn’t exist?

The I it selve was never seen in the story but the I was felt as contraction in the body. When it is realized that the I is not real there is relaxation in the body.

[Lilpil]

Is this something you’ve learned?

yes and no. There is a lot I have learned and I know, but this is the first time I have looked like I am doing now, and I feel this relaxation.

[Lilpil]

Or is this something you experientially see?
If you see it, please describe HOW you see that the I doesn’t exists.

Yes exsperientaly I felt relaxation earlier this day it was a normal day and things got done with less effort than usual. But now I feel a bit stressed. I guess because it is late and I am tired. And there is a doubt...

[Lilpil]

What is your experience of actual? And how do you know what is conceptual?

Aktual is something I can touch and se Wright now. Maybe not to touch, because if I can se a car driving, that is actual , and see a ship in the sea that is actual and mountain and the nature around me. My experience of actual is , an itching in the head and scratching, typing, feeling the chair I am sitting on hearing the sound from the radiator.

Conceptual is what is going on in my mind, it is what I think It is something that there is no proof of, something I believe my opinion on things, like if I find something; bautiful, boring, fun etc.

[Vivien]

Hi Lilpil,

The I it selve was never seen in the story but the I was felt as contraction in the body.

Can a contraction in the body be a real person, with autonomy, who is thinking, feeling, deciding?

Or a contraction is just a plain contraction… like muscle tension without being an entity, without being Lilpil?

Yes exsperientaly I felt relaxation earlier this day it was a normal day and things got done with less effort than usual. But now I feel a bit stressed. I guess because it is late and I am tired. And there is a doubt...

Is the lack of stress is a mandatory requirement to see that there is no entity inside the body, thinking, feeling, deciding, doing things?

What if in any given moment there is no peace? Can a person come and go depending on the presence or the lack of peace?
Or regardless of peace or stress there is no Lilpil inside the body, governing life?

Aktual is something I can touch and se Wright now. Maybe not to touch, because if I can se a car driving, that is actual , and see a ship in the sea that is actual and mountain and the nature around me. My experience of actual is , an itching in the head and scratching, typing, feeling the chair I am sitting on hearing the sound from the radiator.

Conceptual is what is going on in my mind, it is what I think It is something that there is no proof of, something I believe my opinion on things, like if I find something; bautiful, boring, fun etc.

Exactly. So we are looking for an actual I, an actual Lilpil, and not just a conceptual one.

So WHERE is the actual I?
Where is the actual person?

Vivien

[Lilpil]

Can a contraction in the body be a real person, with autonomy, who is thinking, feeling, deciding?

Obviously not.

[Lilpil]

Or a contraction is just a plain contraction… like muscle tension without being an entity, without being Lilpil?

Just plain contraction but it would not be without believing a thought. And thought is not Aktual! Answer is absalutly yes.

[Lilpil]

What if in any given moment there is no peace? Can a person come and go depending on the presence or the lack of peace?
Or regardless of peace or stress there is no Lilpil inside the body, governing life?

There is no I no matter what the circumstances are.

No there is no I here thinking feeling, deciding or doing things or governing life.

[Lilpil]

So WHERE is the actual I?
Where is the actual person?

NOWHERE !
NOWHERE !

[Vivien]

Hi Lilpil,

Just plain contraction but it would not be without believing a thought. And thought is not Aktual!

Yes, that’s true, when a stressful thought is believed, an unpleasant, contracted sensation follows.

The question is… is there someone that contraction is happening TO?
Is there an I FEELING the contraction?
Or the contraction is just there, without happening TO anyone?

No there is no I here thinking feeling, deciding or doing things or governing life.

Great! :)

And is there an experiencER?
Is there someone experiencing the contraction?

Vivien

[Lilpil]

The question is… is there someone that contraction is happening TO?
Is there an I FEELING the contraction?
Or the contraction is just there, without happening TO anyone?

NO
NO
yes

[Lilpil]

And is there an experiencER?

No

[Lilpil]

Is there someone experiencing the contraction?

No

[Vivien]

You've replied quite quickly. Please spend a whole day looking at these questions again and again. Repetition is very important part of this investigation. The repeated looking and seeing is what is undoing the belief. without repetition it cannot really stick. and just becomes a new belief.

At the end of the day come back and please report what it was like to look at this again and again.... 50-100 times today.

V