Liberation

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,

WOW so everything is simply this "redness", or whatever word you want to use to describe reality. Labels are all concepts created by the mind, its actually artificial because it doesn't change the reality at all. All beliefs are just concepts and none of them are actually the true reality.

Isn’t it great to See this?

The color red is experienced.

Right!

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’?
Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)

The label 'GREEN' has a one-to-one correspondence with reality.

You said that ‘red’ is experienced. Can a label that is called ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with reality?

Today I felt a strong sensation in my chest while I was sitting down doing the exercise. It felt like tension so it would be a lie. I didn't do anything about it I was just aware and observed the sensation. I was also driving my car today and I felt a strong tension in my stomach area. This tension kind of feels like anxiety, but I'm not sure exactly.

We are just not used noticing what is happening, sensation-ing all the time in our body.
Being in this process, more being aware is happening.

You are pretty good connected with your body’s sensations. Sensations are what is actually happening in the body, you can experience them directly: contraction or tension or pressure or heaviness in gut, belly, heart/chest area or throat, or there can be felt spaciousness, openness, lightness in the same areas, bodies can feel hot or cold.

Then there are emotions, sometimes also labelled feelings, these are body sensations we give a label to: fear, joy, excitement, happiness, anxiety, anger etc.

Some sensations are the same or nearly the same for different labels/emotions: There is a label like « stage fear ». Artists describe it at tension and pressure in belly, chest or throat area.

But is it actually always ‘fear'? ‘Excitement’ shows itself with the same sensations.

During this process of seeing through the illusion of a separate ‘self' or ‘I’ or’ me', ‘fear’ or ‘anxiety’ can come up. These are normally helpful emotions, they exist to protect our body. You see a bear? You are afraid? Good, and you better run.

I suggest you look at the body sensations you are experiencing. If they point to what you would label 'fear’ or ‘anxiety’, let me know. Fear can prevent from seeing. So we would look into it, or better, ‘behind’ it and look from what it wants to protect. Could be our old beliefs…..


Any observations or questions here?

I Do have one question for you.
Why is tension and contraction feelings of lie?

OK, Eli, let’s check this out, so you can find your own experiential answer:


Can you remember a situation where you lied to somebody you love or really care about?


Lies can be intentional or unintentional, conscious or unconscious, even so automatic that we ourselves are fooled.

For example, the grocery clerk asks, "How are you?" You reply, "I'm fine." While, yes. There is a sense in which we are always fine, even in the middle of suffering, at that moment, you were grieving the death of your dog, you had a slight sore throat & you had a headache, but you didn't feel like sharing all of that with the grocery clerk, so you lied, "I'm fine."

It doesn’t matter if the lie happened in the past, or how ‘distant’ the remembered lie is. Besides the fact that time itself is fictional, a kind of a lie. As we recall the lie it becomes present in this moment, as if it were happening now. This brings the body Sensation that accompanies lying.

The story of a separate "self" is a lie.

This is the lie you came here to see through. Therefore, it is helpful to notice the body Sensation of lying as one of the tools for finding the truth of no self. It is a Sensation, a Direct Actual Experience.


Find the lie. I don't need the whole story, just a few key words to refer to it.



Then scan your body for any Sensation (DE), particularly in the gut or maybe the heart. Check very closely. What is found?



Then please report back what body Sensations you notice when you go to your lie or lies.

What is experienced? What do you notice?

Could this be the answer?



Eli, I will be traveling the next 2 days and I’m not sure about internet along the way. I will be surely with internet on Sunday again. So, let’s meet in 2 days again.

Take your time, Look Deeply and have fun discovering.

Take care


Love to you

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hi Trisha,

Eli, I will be traveling the next 2 days and I’m not sure about internet along the way. I will be surely with internet on Sunday again. So, let’s meet in 2 days again.

OK no problem have fun wherever you're travelling to, I'm looking forward to your next response.

You said that ‘red’ is experienced. Can a label that is called ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with reality?

No the label 'GREEN' does not have a one-to-one correspondence with reality, the only reality is the red.

Any observations or questions here?

I tend to get a strong tension in the chest area in certain social situations. It usually occurs before and when I'm actually in the situation it goes away. I used to label this as anxiety, but now that I am looking at it this could be some sort of excitement or the anticipation of what's going to happen. This sensation usually appears when its a new situation and I have no idea what's going to happen. I will look more into it, not knowing can be scary. Although I have gotten much less anxious recently there is still a lie there. The mind cares what other people think and that appears as well.

Can you remember a situation where you lied to somebody you love or really care about?

Yes I can.

Find the lie. I don't need the whole story, just a few key words to refer to it.

The lie is not accepting how things already are and that something needs to change because this is not enough.

Then please report back what body Sensations you notice when you go to your lie or lies.

The body sensations are very spontaneous so when I tend to search for them there is not much in the body. I will be honest I tried to search for any lies/tension but there was none in the body. The body was relaxed when I searched for the tension. There is a slight tension in the chest, but its very subtle. Maybe I have to look even deeper, but the tension seems to appear in "uncomfortable situations" and not when I'm in my house scanning the body. Scanning the body is usually when the body is most relaxed. I have faced my biggest lies and insecurities, but again there is still a subtle lie still left which could be not accepting fully that nothing needs to change.

What is experienced? What do you notice?

I experienced relaxation when I scanned the body, I noticed that when I searched for my lies I had already accepted them and wasn't holding onto them anymore. There wasn't really any tension, accept a slight feeling in the chest.

Could this be the answer?

I honestly don't know what the answer is if I am being honest. I will continue to investigate when tension arises in the body to see it for what it truly is.





Much Love, Eli.

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,

No the label 'GREEN' does not have a one-to-one correspondence with reality, the only reality is the red.

Yes, exactly.

I have no idea what's going to happen.
not knowing can be scary

Can there ever be more than ‘an idea’, or thought-content of what is going to happen?

Isn’t 'not-knowing the future’ what is already always happening?

the tension seems to appear in "uncomfortable situations" and not when I'm in my house scanning the body.

So when you notice tension or 'unconfortable' body sensations in a situation:
The body sensations are 'unconfortable', like tension, it is not the situation.
These body sensations would point to a lie.
Can you see this?




Little help to detect the body sensations that can be experienced when we lie to somebody, or ourselves:

First go to the lie and bring up the lie and the situation as a memory, as ‘real’ as possible. Stay there a moment and be in it.
It’s helpful when it’s a biggie…

And then notice the sensations in your chest or gut.

What is noticed?

Why is tension and contraction feelings of lie?

I honestly don't know what the answer is if I am being honest. I will continue to investigate when tension arises in the body to see it for what it truly is.

This is the perfect answer!

We do not know the ‘why’ of anything. All is a wonderful mystery.

Noticing of what is happening and being experienced is all there is.
Seeing this and accepting it brings us a lot of peace.





Let’s look deeper into the correlation between thought-content and label and reality:


Friend/Stranger

Bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend".
Then bring up a thought about a character labelled "stranger ».



Compare these thoughts.


Is there a difference in these thoughts?


Is there a true difference or is it just a different content?



Now, bring up again a thought about a character labelled "friend ».

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.



Is there a difference?


Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?




Have fun, Eli and let me know what is found.


Love to you

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hi Trisha,

Can there ever be more than ‘an idea’, or thought-content of what is going to happen?

No there can't its only a thought or an idea, the mind projecting into the future.

Isn’t 'not-knowing the future’ what is already always happening?

Yes we can never know the future.

Can you see this?

ok yes I see this. Its not the situation that is causing the discomfort. It is the tension/lie that is uncomfortable.

What is noticed?

It was noticed that there never was a lie, its just an artificial creation. When I looked for the lie it was seen that it was an artificial creation by the mind. When I try to bring up past lies its like they never happened.

Compare these thoughts.

The thoughts were "my" friend and "that random guy I saw".

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

The difference was that there was ownership for the friend and the other thought had no ownership.

Is there a true difference or is it just a different content?

There is no true difference, just different mind content that is all.

Is there a difference?

To be honest there is no difference just content of the mind.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?

No there is nothing special about the content its all just thoughts.





Much Love, Eli.

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,

Its not the situation that is causing the discomfort. It is the tension/lie that is uncomfortable.

Yes, isn’t this a great discovery?


A situation is just a situation, the action of another person is just this, his/her’s action, a happening is just something that is happening.

We have reactions and make up thought contents, stories, lies. These make us feel uncomfortable, we notice the body sensations in Direct Experience.

"If it hurts, you are lying. » (Byron Katie)


The biggest lie, there is a ’self’ or ‘me’ or ‘I’, you are here to see that it is a lie. It is really helpful to experience the body sensations of a lie and of lying, as this is one of the tools to see the truth of there not being a ’self’.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character »?

No there is nothing special about the content its all just thoughts.

How does it feel to see that a 'me-character', a ‘self', an ’I' is just thoughts?






And still deeper into Labelling and Actual Experience:



Actual/Direct Experience - Apple


Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise or if this one doesn't show on your screen, you can Google for a picture of an apple.




Here should be the picture of an apple, sorry, not working today ......
Grap one or find a pic of an apple on Google (or somewhere else...)




When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is experienced for sure? Color is experienced and arising of thoughts is experienced.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?


While these thoughts are experienced, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known


However, is an apple actually experienced and known?

Have fun and let me know what you find out.




Love to you

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hi Trisha,

How does it feel to see that a 'me-character', a ‘self', an ’I' is just thoughts?

Its liberating to see this.

It is really helpful to experience the body sensations of a lie and of lying

I will do this when these sensations arise.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

The content of thoughts and what they describe is an artificial add on to the experience. The only experience is the color red and the arising of thoughts.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

There is no apple here its only color and a thought arising.

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

'Apple' cannot be found in actual experience.

However, is an apple actually experienced and known?

An apple is not experienced and known because there is no apple. There is only the actual experience of the color and thought. The apple is thought content, an artificial label added on to what is.

Have fun and let me know what you find out.

Nothing can be known because there is only the experience. The experience or happening is all there is so there is nothing to know. Honestly I don't have many words to say because there is actually nothing find out.



Much Love. Eli.

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,

How does it feel to see that a 'me-character', a ‘self', an ’I' is just thoughts?

Its liberating to see this.

Yes, it is :-)

The apple is thought content, an artificial label added on to what is.

Yes exactly.
All words are labels, or lies, they are never the actal thing they represent: Apple, table, dog, university, hospital, society, Santa Claus, Batman, Unicorn, 'separate self'.

Nothing can be known because there is only the experience.

Yes, very good noticing: ‘knowing' is thought based, after experiencing, like processed food, not the actual, raw experience.

Honestly I don't have many words to say

Good.





Now let’s look at the Body:



Body Exercise



Sit or lie down, with eyes closed for 15 minutes minimum, or more:
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:


Can it be known how tall the body is?

Does the body have a weight or volume?

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair/mattress?

Is there an inside or an outside?

If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?

If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?




Enjoy and let me know what is found

Love to you

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hi Trisha,

Can it be known how tall the body is?

It can't be known. 6 feet tall would be a concept. A 'body' is a concept.

Does the body have a weight or volume?

It does not.

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

It does not have a shape or form. The actual experience was only raw sensations.

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

There is no boundary.

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair/mattress?

Again there is no boundary.

Is there an inside or an outside?

No there isn't. Inside and Outside is thought content.

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

Its referring to an appearance of an apparent body. There is only the actual experience, being sensations and thoughts arising.

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

The actual experience would be raw sensations. The body is a thought just like an apple, tree and book.





Much Love, Eli.

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,

thank you for your answers, good answers.

Yes, body is a concept, like the apple.

And yes, there is no boundary between ‘body’ and ’the world outside', as there is no ‘inside’ or ‘outside’, there is only actual experienc-ing.

Very good noticing.



So, let me ask you:

The actual experience would be raw sensations

What are your raw/actual experiences, what sensations can you notice, when it is sensed, that there is no boundary between "Eli-body" and the outside world and that there is no ‘inside' or ‘outside'?

What about the illusion of a ’separate self’?

How does it Feel to see this?




For more clarity here, try this exercise, we call it the ‘ButtChair »:


Sit on a chair, for some time.

Please LOOK for any place where your butt ends and the chair begins.

Is there any clear dividing line between them?

Or only the Sensation with no clear division?

What is discovered?





Love to you

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hey Trisha,

What are your raw/actual experiences, what sensations can you notice, when it is sensed, that there is no boundary between "Eli-body" and the outside world and that there is no ‘inside' or ‘outside'?

My raw actual experiences are simply sensations in the body and thoughts appearing. I notice a lot of sensation in the mid chest area. I'm not sure I understand the rest of the question, but it is sensed that there is no boundary because in my actual experience there is no body or outside world. There is no inside or outside just the experience. Thoughts appear and in the content there is an outside world and body, the content is just labeling the experience its artificial.

What about the illusion of a ’separate self’?

The illusion of a separate self would be the thoughts and their content, and the tension that arises in the body. Its clear that this is artificial.

How does it Feel to see this?

It brings a lot of relaxation, its clear that thoughts and sensations are just energy expressing.

Is there any clear dividing line between them?

There is no dividing line, only the sensations. The mind will tell you there's a dividing line, but that's not the actual experience.

Or only the Sensation with no clear division?

Yes only the sensation.

What is discovered?

That nothing is separate, there is only the experience. The mind will say "I am sitting on this chair" ,but the real experience was only the sensation. But really I actually know nothing, like I don't understand anything.






Much Love, Eli

[TeeKa112]

Hey Eli,


good, very good.

But really I actually know nothing, like I don't understand anything.

Let me ask you, where is this ‘I’ to which not-knowing and not-understanding is attributed to?

Please LOOK DEEPLY. Everywhere.


Can an ‘I’ be found?


Is an ‘I’ necessary for knowing or not-knowing, understanding or not-understanding, which is all just think-ing, to appear or to happen?



Take time and stay with LOOKING only.


Let me know.


Love to you

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hi Trisha,

Let me ask you, where is this ‘I’ to which not-knowing and not-understanding is attributed to?

The "I" was looked for and it wasn't found, the "I" is a thought/concept. The "I" arises as a thought, in the actual experience it couldn't be located.

Can an ‘I’ be found?

The "I" cannot be found. The experience is thoughts arising and sensations, the "I" is the label or the content of a thought.

Is an ‘I’ necessary for knowing or not-knowing, understanding or not-understanding, which is all just think-ing, to appear or to happen?

Without the "I" there is no knowing or even not-knowing, there is no understanding or not-understanding. There is just a thought appearing with the content of "I". There is no "I", there is no location.



Much Love, Eli.

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,


the day before you wrote:

But really I don’t know nothing, like I don’t understand anything.

I was questioning the truth of this.

I was not questioning the truth of noticing or being aware of knowing nothing or not understanding.

What I am questioning is the need for an ‘I’ for knowing or not knowing or understanding or thinking happening and the noticing or awar-ing of all this happening.



Today:

Without the ‘I’ there is no knowing or even not-knowing, There is no understanding or not-understanding.

This obviously is not true.

Knowing or not-knowing, understanding, which is all thinking, all is happening. And also the noticing of this thinking is happening. That is what you were telling me, right?


My question is: Is any ‘I’ or ‘self' or any kind of entity needed for thinking to happen?

Is it possible that all is already happening? Thoughts are arising, seeing, hearing, sensing, smelling and tasting, all is happening and noticing of it is happening?

And that this ‘I’ is only an ad-on,

just a thought appearing with the content of ‘I’

exactly like you are saying?



Love to you Eli,

Trisha

[Eli24]

Hi Trisha,

What I am questioning is the need for an ‘I’ for knowing or not knowing or understanding or thinking happening and the noticing or awar-ing of all this happening.

There is no need for an "I" for all of this to be happening, its simply happening.

Knowing or not-knowing, understanding, which is all thinking, all is happening. And also the noticing of this thinking is happening. That is what you were telling me, right?

Yes this is what I was telling you. What I meant was that there is no "I" to know or understand.

My question is: Is any ‘I’ or ‘self' or any kind of entity needed for thinking to happen?

A 'Self' is not needed for thinking to happen, thinking is just what is happening.

Is it possible that all is already happening? Thoughts are arising, seeing, hearing, sensing, smelling and tasting, all is happening and noticing of it is happening?

Yes that's exactly it, all is already happening. There is no one hearing, seeing, tasting, etc. That claim that someone is doing these things comes from the mind as thought content, its an add on to the actual experience.

And that this ‘I’ is only an ad-on,

Yes the 'I' is only an add on.

exactly like you are saying?

I am not sure what this question is asking.



Much Love, Eli.

[TeeKa112]

Hi Eli,

Yes that's exactly it, all is already happening. There is no one hearing, seeing, tasting, etc. That claim that someone is doing these things comes from the mind as thought content, its an add on to the actual experience.

Yes, very good noticing. That is how it IS.


Let’s look even deeper at the difference between ‘doing’ and ‘happening’:



Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience. Do this as many times as you like, and each time LOOK. And when the reply seems clear, LOOK again and LOOK more. It is this repeated LOOKING and EXPERIENCING that brings about the shift, a realization.
And, as you already noticed, not-understanding is truth.


How is the movement controlled?


Does a thought control it?


Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?


How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.


Who or what​ ​chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?


Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?



Love to you Eli,

Trisha