The time has come

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
Sorry for the delay. These questions were not easy for a sincere reply

Do these thougths know to whom they are speaking to?

This question was so difficult. I sat with this a long time . Thoughts don’t know to whom they are speaking to. If the question was to whom thoughts are speaking to? The answer would be they speak to that which hear’s them.
What is that, which hear’s them ? I don’t know

Is there a problem with the story?

It depends on the story. For example If I see the rope as a snake constantly, there would be uneasiness , or constant fight. The story would be taken for reality .

And who or what would be affected by this?

The body would be affected in some way by constant fighting for survival

Does a thought have some super power?
To trigger the sensation?

Let’s say that the sensation of fear doesn’t get triggered till the moment a thought says it is a snake

Is is possible to really know that a "memory" thought reffers to something that has happened?

No it can’t be known. There are no proofs of that

What is it that knows?

That which knows is another thought

I feel confused with my answers

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

These questions were not easy for a sincere reply

There are utterly simple when look at.
May seem difficult trying to solve them with thinking :-)

The answer would be they speak to that which hear’s them.
What is that, which hear’s them ? I don’t know

Is there a hearer of thoughts?
Or there is a hearing?
Does the hearing implies a doer?

It depends on the story. For example If I see the rope as a snake constantly, there would be uneasiness , or constant fight. The story would be taken for reality .

:-) Nice analogy, but the rope was never been a snake to begin with ... when this is seen just once - how can the story be taken for reality?
Who or what can take a story for reality?

Let’s say that the sensation of fear doesn’t get triggered till the moment a thought says it is a snake

And than jsut a simple looking and here it is - a rope.
Does a content of a thought real?
Does a thought about the snake make a REAL snake?

Is it possible to really know that a "memory" thought reffers to something that has happened?

No it can’t be known. There are no proofs of that

What is it that knows?

That which knows is another thought

Nice :-) And what comes with this?

I feel confused with my answers

Confusion is ok.
Does the feeling belong to someone?
Does the confusion yours?

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana

There are utterly simple when look at.
May seem difficult trying to solve them with thinking :-)

Even though I see that thoughts just appear and there is no control over them it seems that something blocks the realization that they are not real or true or that they are separate from me . Our conversation helped in a way to accept me as I am. There is acceptable of the character’s patterns, of the voices, of the opinions that may arise, of the reactions even if they don’t considered proper and there is no struggling to change them or feeling guilty or shame about them . You will say that all these are not me or there is no me in the first place. I don’t know what this me is and I don’t care. I am grateful for being peaceful for feeling love inside me for not being in stress about what happens for taking life more like a game for feeling completeness for not feeling that I miss something or not seeking something. Maybe this is not the whole truth but when you are totally blind even one eye is enough to see. You may miss the whole view but you don’t care because you see and that is enough, let’s say .

Is there a hearer of thoughts?
Or there is a hearing?
Does the hearing implies a doer?

Hearing is happening and it doesn’t imply a doer.

Nice analogy, but the rope was never been a snake to begin with ... when this is seen just once - how can the story be taken for reality?

snakes are the stories about a me that are taken for reality. There may be several different stories especially when there is a child trauma involved that may considered as snakes .

Who or what can take a story for reality?

I don’t know, it’s a happening .

Does a content of a thought real?
Does a thought about the snake make a REAL snake?

It seems real until this story of a snake doesn’t arise . It’s just doesn’t arise anymore with out any realization that the snake was the illusionary me . It is like this illusionary me is not there anymore and this space is filled with a peaceful loving emptiness

Is it possible to really know that a "memory" thought reffers to something that has happened?
No it can’t be known. There are no proofs of that
What is it that knows?
That which knows is another thought

Nice :-) And what comes with this?

The first answer was from thinking. Now that I am looking at it
there is an impression that the thought refers to something that have happened. What is this impression? Is impression a thought?
I don’t know
The second answer came out naturally and felt very natural which I can’t say the same for the first answer.

Confusion is ok.
Does the feeling belong to someone?
Does the confusion yours?

Confusion arises for no one.

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

Even though I see that thoughts just appear and there is no control over them it seems that something blocks the realization that they are not real or true or that they are separate from me .

Yes, when the thoughts are objects for investigation there is no way to see that something changes.
Let's back to reality, Direct experience. Notice all that is happening right now and write it here, (let's say for an hour)
For example: Writing on the computer, stand up and make a tea, drinking tea, the cat wants to go out, standing, open the window, the cat is out...

When you finish, notice: is there a possibility for things to happens in any different way other the way they happen already?
In onther words
Can you see clearly that this/which happens is happening only in this way? And not in any other

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana

When you finish, notice: is there a possibility for things to happens in any different way other the way they happen already?
In onther words
Can you see clearly that this/which happens is happening only in this way? And not in any other

I have done this exercise and I can see clearly that what ever happens, just happens and it can’t be any other way , because it happened already . Nothing is changed from before the exercise as this is how I was seeing it.

The attachment, let’s say , is with the content of the thoughts about “I am this kind of person “ or “this is what is happening” conclusions about what is. They seem real. The only difference is that they don’t cause any suffering

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

The attachment, let’s say , is with the content of the thoughts about “I am this kind of person “ or “this is what is happening” conclusions about what is. They seem real. The only difference is that they don’t cause any suffering

Nice, so there is a thought with some content. Right? Do you see this?

Is there a diference between a thought which is arrising and a content of this thought?

What of these is real what is imagined?


Much love,
Luchana

ps. we can make another meeting if you want to?

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
Thought and content of thought is the same thing.
Thinking process is real . Thoughts or content of thoughts are imagination

Love Olga

Ps . yes I would like to see you you. When ever you are available

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

All right.
I will message you via mail to see when will be possible,

Thought and content of thought is the same thing.

Is it?
Let's see

Think about the dessert right now.
There is a thought about the desset - this is real, and can't be deny.

But is there a single dust in the thought about the dessert?


Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
What I understand is that the thinking process is real but the dessert is imagined which is the content of the thought

If I arrive in a dessert and think, this is a dessert , this thought may considered real .

But is there a single dust in the thought about the dessert?

I am not sure what you mean by that .

Love Olga

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
What I understand is that the thinking process is real but the dessert is imagined which is the content of the thought

If I arrive in a dessert and think, this is a dessert , this thought may considered real .

But is there a single dust in the thought about the dessert?

I am not sure what you mean by that .

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Yep, if there is a REAL dessert in front of you,but now at this very moment the content of a thought "dessert" is not real, never was. Because there is no dessert. Just like in the thought of I, Olga there is no I :-)

Is this clear? We can continue looking if not.

Much love,
Luchana

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

after our last conversation here are some questions for you o look.

Is there a seer?
Is there a feeler?
Is there a hearer?
Is there a taster?
Is there a smeller?

Is there an experiencER?

Is there anything having the experience of whatever is happening?

Is there anything what the experience is happening TO?


Take your time

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana

Is there a seer?
Is there a feeler?
Is there a hearer?
Is there a taster?
Is there a smeller?

No all of them are automatic procedures

Is there an experiencER?

There is constant experience of the present moment
When experience is happening there is no experiencer
The experiencer arises in the mind afterwards by a thought that says “ I experienced this “

Is there anything having the experience of whatever is happening?

During the experience of the present moment there is no reference for something having the experience

Is there anything that the experience is happening TO?

Experience happens. Only thoughts say otherwise after the experienced

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

you did a very good looking.

Few more questions:

Is there an enduring, autonomous, independent self, separate from the rest of experience?

Has there ever been an independent separate self?

Is searching/seeking still going on?

Is there anything that is not totally clear and you would like to look at?

Also if you would like we can look at this one as well :-)
(just to know that it is for a further looking, but nevertheless you might like it)

There is constant experience of the present moment

What is a present moment exactly?
Is there a moment which is not present?

How is it known that there is a present moment which is constantly epxerienced?
How is it known exactly that there is such thing as 'present moment'?
What is the actual experience of 'the present moment'?


Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana

Is there an enduring, autonomous, independent self, separate from the rest of experience?

No no no

Has there ever been an independent separate self?

The independent separate self was just an idea. Never existed

Is searching/seeking still going on?

No . No seeking is happening

Is there anything that is not totally clear and you would like to look at?

I can’t find something right now

What is a present moment exactly?
Is there a moment which is not present?

When I said present moment I meant the direct experience before thinking arise and try to explain the moment
All the moments are present. But When the mind starts to make a story about the moment, it’s a reference to the past moment. It is not direct experience

How is it known that there is a present moment which is constantly epxerienced?

It is not known. It’s an idea

How is it known exactly that there is such thing as 'present moment

It is not known. It is also an idea

What is the actual experience of 'the present moment'?

The 5 senses

Love back
Olga