The time has come

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

The organism reacts to every stimulus and there are sensations which are called shame, fear , anger . With out the naming they are just sensations. This was so freeing. There is no need to end conditioning for one to feel free.

. Exactly, the feelings are coming like ideas, from nowhere. And the sensations don't have a name :) Wonderful.
Notice how ideas are coming and start to tell a story about theses feelings, about me etc.
Can you notice the story, right now, that there is someone, called me, who is ariive here in the world, in the room and who is separate ?
Notice what is real and what is idea?
Is there someone in the room? Or there is just a room?

Thank you for your patience

You are most welcome :-)



Much love
Luchana

[Luchana]

Hi Olga

I have replied to you this morning
Check above

Yes, sorry. The site is having some problems..

L.

[Zoi]

hi Luchana

Can you notice the story, right now, that there is someone, called me, who is ariive here in the world, in the room and who is separate ?
Notice what is real and what is idea?

The think is that the mind is mostly silent except from when it feels threatened . So there are no thoughts of a me being separate. When a thought comes up is an idea. Silence is the real.

Is there someone in the room? Or there is just a room?

The someone and the room are both ideas . nothing of these 2 are real.

Love
olga
P.s I would like to do an online meeting with you , to ask me some of these questions directly.
I will send you an email. Thank you

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

you did a very good looking.

The think is that the mind is mostly silent except from when it feels threatened

When the feeling/sensation about threat comes - just look.
What does this sensation/fear protect?
Is there something real, solid which needs protection?
Or is it just an idea that says so?

P.s I would like to do an online meeting with you , to ask me some of these questions directly.
I will send you an email. Thank you

Great! I would love to :-)
How about during the weekend? Saturday or Sunday?
I will waitng for your mail to fix it.

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana

When the feeling/sensation about threat comes - just look.
What does this sensation/fear protect?
Is there something real, solid which needs protection?
Or is it just an idea that says so?

.
This sensation/fear protects nothing. The organism reacts to a thought about a me with a sensation called fear.
With out the story and the lebbeling is just an intense sensation.

How about during the weekend? Saturday or Sunday?
I will waitng for your mail to fix it.

I am available any time in the weekend. I have already send you a mail a couple of days ago . I will send you again in case you didn’t get it

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

I am available any time in the weekend. I have already send you a mail a couple of days ago . I will send you again in case you didn’t get it

Strange, but I didn't received a mail, maybe you sent it via forum ...

Here is my mail:

luchanauzunova@gmail.com

And during the weekend is also fine for me maybe sunday evening.

Mmuch love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
Have you checked your junk maybe it is there
I have send you directly from my email
Here is mine
Olga.zoi@hotmail.com

Love Olga

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
I’ve got your email
Did you get my reply?
We are the same time zone .
Love
Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga.

after our meeting today let's make an exercise.

What I would suggest is to go for a walk. Go to the beach or for a walk close to the sea. Walk for a while, sit somewhere and look arround. Sea, birds, insects, people's chatters, children's playing, sensations in the body, thoughts including the thought of I, Olga am sitting, looking and observing - all this is just one happening. Look at what is present and answer these questions:

Can the character chooses what to feel, what to think, whether go for a walk or not?

Does the character choose this story?

Can it chooses another story, a different one, instead of what already is?

Can the story of Olga be seen as what it is - just a story, including Olga?


Take your time and have fun.

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
Sorry for the delay

Can the character chooses what to feel, what to think, whether go for a walk or not?

The word character is a name that we put to describe some patterns of the organism. The character as an entity doesn’t exist
Feeling, thinking, deciding are happening by themselves

Does the character choose this story?

Can it chooses another story, a different one, instead of what already is?

Since the word character is empty it can’t do anything

Can the story of Olga be seen as what it is - just a story, including Olga?

Olga is another label for the organism. There is no reality in it .
Stories of olga are not real they are imagination

Thank you
Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

you did a very good looking.

Stories of olga are not real they are imagination

What comes with that? How does it feel to see this?
Can you describe what happens in your dayly life?
Is there any difference?

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana

What comes with that? How does it feel to see this?

There might be stories or opinions or conclusions but there is not the sense that they belong to a me . They are free to appear with no judgment that they should not take place
There is even more peacefulness and freedom now.

Can you describe what happens in your dayly life?
Is there any difference?

In daily life mostly there is action there is a flow the body moves doing things with out the narrative that it is me doing them. It talks saying stories continue to be part of this world but there is a deep knowing that it is an act . If a thought comes that I should do this or that there is no feeling of obligation or heaviness like before and these thoughts are not taken seriously.
There is no memory of these daily actions so there is no story of a me now. There is some memory of the past about what happened to olga mostly the suffering , but this also is fading away slowly

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

There might be stories or opinions or conclusions but there is not the sense that they belong to a me .

Nice :-)

There is some memory of the past about what happened to olga mostly the suffering , but this also is fading away slowly

Let's look at memory and see what happens.

How “memory” is happening in experience?
As an image? As a sensation? Or as another thought?
Is there a "memory, outside of thought about a "memory?
What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?



Take your time and have fun with each question.

Much love,
Luchana

[Zoi]

Hi luchana
So the weekend the weather was great and I sat outside in the garden . I noticed everything that you suggested in the exercise in the previous post. During this a lot of random thoughts were popping up or stories like, “I lied to luchana I was not sincere I was replying from the mind not from direct experience I live in the mind “ and so on .
Stories about everything were coming up out of nowhere . Stories of me are happening all the time even if they are not noticed or don’t attract attention because of the absence of tensed sensation. The stories were not reality but they seemed true.

How “memory” is happening in experience?
As an image? As a sensation? Or as another thought?

Memory is an image or another thought that can trigger sensation

Is there a "memory, outside of thought about a "memory?

No there is no memory outside of thought

What is the memory ‘made of’?

Of images and thoughts

WHEN does the memory appear?

When someone asks what did you ate yesterday it appears the image of the food or when describing a past experience

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

Memory is something that has happened in the past or learned. But then , if everything is learnt and also seemed to happened in the past , a general thought is also memory thought. There is no difference

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Because if nothing ever happened there would be no memory thoughts

Love Olga

[Luchana]

Hi Olga,

you did a good looking.

So the weekend the weather was great and I sat outside in the garden . I noticed everything that you suggested in the exercise in the previous post. During this a lot of random thoughts were popping up or stories like, “I lied to luchana I was not sincere I was replying from the mind not from direct experience I live in the mind “ and so on .
Stories about everything were coming up out of nowhere . Stories of me are happening all the time even if they are not noticed or don’t attract attention because of the absence of tensed sensation. The stories were not reality but they seemed true.

It's so good that you can see this.
Nothing to worry about, you are not lying.

Do these thougths know to whom they are speaking to?

Is there a problem with the story?

And who or what would be affected by this?

Memory is an image or another thought that can trigger sensation

Does a thought have some super power?
To trigger the sensation?

Memory is something that has happened in the past or learned. But then , if everything is learnt and also seemed to happened in the past , a general thought is also memory thought. There is no difference

Exactly.
No difference. It's just another thought which is saying that there is such a difference.

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?
Because if nothing ever happened there would be no memory thoughts

Is is possible to really know that a "memory" thought reffers to something that has happened?

What is it that knows?


Much love,
Luchana