Arising isGood. What is arising when you read this : there is no you, no separate self, it has never been, it will never be.
No, not when I look at the universe of preceding or co-occuring "causes and conditions"1. Can you find anywhere where Fran autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?
When I look, and even in the course of day to day choices like these, I can readily know at least some of the factors that go into these decisions. It's stunning.2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc. Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?
My first thought is that I am responsible for managing the consequences of my "choices". But then I see that view, "I am responsible..." is also the result of other preceding causes by which I am conditioned.3. Can anything be found for which Fran is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?
My first thought is that I am responsible for managing the consequences of my "choices". But then I see that view, "I am responsible..." is also the result of other preceding causes by which I am conditioned.
Clothing, car I drive, the food I eat, the people, places and things I like or don't like - everything is due to the kinds of factors you mention, and so many other ones.
Now, using that recognition to shift experience is the trick.
The "I" is another result of conditioning, a conventional way to refer to oneself. But there is no "autonomous entity" to be found in direct experience. It's like the choice of what to wear. It's easier to say "I" than, "A thought arises that there is responsibility for managing the consequences of seeming "choices'". "I" was trying to list a series of thoughts that arose. But please press "me" on it when "I" slip."I" is used many times in your answer : what is this "I" referring to in direct experience ? Look at it ?
Yes, that definitely has the sound of someone wanting to do something to get somewhere! Thank you for catching it , a wish to make something happen as if autonomous. It's insidious.Experience is what is, what do you by "shift experience" ?
Yes, the "I" is used to communicate.The "I" is another result of conditioning, a conventional way to refer to oneself. But there is no "autonomous entity" to be found in direct experience. It's like the choice of what to wear. It's easier to say "I" than, "A thought arises that there is responsibility for managing the consequences of seeming "choices'". "I" was trying to list a series of thoughts that arose. But please press "me" on it when "I" slip.
Is there someone who wants to do things ?Yes, that definitely has the sound of someone wanting to do something to get somewhere! Thank you for catching it , a wish to make something happen as if autonomous. It's insidious.
Hi Fran
Whether a someone or a something, yes there is - the one who signed up for coaching, and the one wishing to make something happen. It's still active.Is there someone who wants to do things ?
Looking closely, no "one" can be found, yet desire for something still arises.
Looking closely, no "one" can be found, but there is a strong habit pattern that behaves that way.Now, there is a question for you : is there a meditator in any shape or form ?
Thanks Warissem
This answer came from thought and belief. The goal of this forum is to make you see that there is no you, no someone, no separate entity which is living as Fran. Now, can you describe this someone which is still active ? Use your five senses and give me a description of it.Whether a someone or a something, yes there is - the one who signed up for coaching, and the one wishing to make something happen. It's still active.
Yes, there is no one here. There is a habit pattern : yes. It is like a whirling water, it continues whirling till there is no energy to feed it. Old tendencies, conditionings will continue to pop up, but you can see them as what they are and let them go. That is, don't catch them. There are stories about stories. What is reading these words on the screen ? Look.Looking closely, no "one" can be found, but there is a strong habit pattern that behaves that way.
This answer came from thought and belief. The goal of this forum is to make you see that there is no you, no someone, no separate entity which is living as Fran. Now, can you describe this someone which is still active ? Use your five senses and give me a description of it.Whether a someone or a something, yes there is - the one who signed up for coaching, and the one wishing to make something happen. It's still active.
Yes, there is no one here. There is a habit pattern : yes. It is like a whirling water, it continues whirling till there is no energy to feed it. Old tendencies, conditionings will continue to pop up, but you can see them as what they are and let them go. That is, don't catch them. There are stories about stories. What is reading these words on the screen ? Look.Looking closely, no "one" can be found, but there is a strong habit pattern that behaves that way.
There is no findable self using the physical senses.This answer came from thought and belief. The goal of this forum is to make you see that there is no you, no someone, no separate entity which is living as Fran. Now, can you describe this someone which is still active ? Use your five senses and give me a description of it.
Physical sense based: Only the eyes seeing the words. The rest is mental.Yes, there is no one here. There is a habit pattern : yes. It is like a whirling water, it continues whirling till there is no energy to feed it. Old tendencies, conditionings will continue to pop up, but you can see them as what they are and let them go. That is, don't catch them. There are stories about stories. What is reading these words on the screen ? Look.
Hi Warissem,
I apologize. Something was wrong on this end. I thought for sure I had sent responses to your questions but didn't hear back from you. I thought you were unavailable for some reason. Last evening I logged in to check, and saw your last communication without a reply from me, but no option for selecting and quoting anything. This morning the quote option is here... it's a mystery...
There is no findable self using the physical senses.This answer came from thought and belief. The goal of this forum is to make you see that there is no you, no someone, no separate entity which is living as Fran. Now, can you describe this someone which is still active ? Use your five senses and give me a description of it.
Physical sense based: Only the eyes seeing the words. The rest is mental.Yes, there is no one here. There is a habit pattern : yes. It is like a whirling water, it continues whirling till there is no energy to feed it. Old tendencies, conditionings will continue to pop up, but you can see them as what they are and let them go. That is, don't catch them. There are stories about stories. What is reading these words on the screen ? Look.
Chandra4Now
Even "eyes seeing the words" is mental.Physical sense based: Only the eyes seeing the words. The rest is mental.
Hi Fran
Yes, I am confused about how to answer.Even "eyes seeing the words" is mental.
Words are seen and understood by ... no one. It is a mystery.
Have you seen for sure that there is no separate self, no you in any shape or form ?
If you have doubts, feel free to discuss them here ?
Are you still seeking ? if yes, what are you seeking ?
Warissem
Also, It seems no matter how I try, I am put into FranD, a name I used a few years ago. Can you help to get us back to Chandra4Now and change the password??
What is this "I" which is confused ?Yes, I am confused about how to answer.
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