Clearer seeing

[faraner]

Hi Luchana.
Yes, when I am not looking, it actually does feel exactly like I am thinking, I am choosing etc.
The part of the experience were the I is though to exist didn't seem go anywhere, and so when there is no clear seeing that I doesn't exist the idea that I does exist is accepted by default.
Within the experience, there never was and never will be anything but the content of experience, and wether or not the I is accepted as the governor of expirience doesn't change anything at all. Or something like this.
It is funny. I couldn't stop laughing about it today.

[Luchana]

Hi Egor,

I'm not sure I understand correctly what you mean by this...although the laughter is very familiar :-)

Can you say some more about this?

Much love
Luchana

[faraner]

Hi, Luchana.
You asked what happens when I am not looking and not thinking about the inquiry.

does it feel like that I am thinking, I am choosing, I am deciding, I am feeling emotions and sensations?

Yes, it does feel like that. When I am no looking and not thinking about the inquiry, it feels like there is an I. But when I look backб I can see that there was no I.

[faraner]

Or rather when looking happens, it's clear that there is no I.
And when looking doesn't happen, there is the feeling that there is an I

[Luchana]

Hi Egor,

Thank you for clarification

Or rather when looking happens, it's clear that there is no I.
And when looking doesn't happen, there is the feeling that there is an I

I understand what you mean.
This that is called an I is a main character of the story Egor's life.
Notice, is there a real I in "I, Egor"?
Is someone chooses what the character likes, dislikes, what hi is afraid of? or what are his dreams?
Notice that the main character is also part of this show that is happening?
is there an owner of the show, director...?
What if is what's believed that in the main character there is a me?


Much love
Luchana

[faraner]

Hi Luchana

I understand what you mean.
This that is called an I is a main character of the story Egor's life.
Notice, is there a real I in "I, Egor"?

There is no I or Egor outside of the contents of thoughts. But when looking doesn't happen, contents of thoughts seem real enough.

Is someone chooses what the character likes, dislikes, what hi is afraid of? or what are his dreams?

Nobody chooses that, it just happens

Notice that the main character is also part of this show that is happening?

Yeah, he is.

is there an owner of the show, director...?

Within the expirience, there is no director or owner.

What if is what's believed that in the main character there is a me?

Yes there is this connection.

[Luchana]

Hi Egor,

What if is what's believed that in the main character there is a me?

Yes there is this connection.

So, what reality is ?
- when is seen that the me in the character is just a belief
- and there is no me in the character.

Much Love
Luchana

[faraner]

Hi Luchana.
Thank you for your pointers, I hope I'm getting them right :)

So, what reality is ?

The reality were Egor's life happens is just contents of experience.

- when is seen that the me in the character is just a belief

The idea of me incide the character is just a content of thought, thoughts being one of the facets of experience.

- and there is no me in the character.

Isn't that the same as to say that the me in the character is just a belief?

[faraner]

Hi Luchana

So, what reality is ?

The reality where Egor's life happens is just content of experience.

I thought about expanding on this.
There is nothing but the content of experience. Reality is the content of experience conceptualized in the context of the existence of the self. It is the illusion that both the Egor character and the I actor exist and are surrounded by the reality with which the I actor interacts and where the Egor character story takes place.

And also I would like to expand on this.

does it feel like that I am thinking, I am choosing, I am deciding, I am feeling emotions and sensations?

Yes, it does feel like that. When I am no looking and not thinking about the inquiry, it feels like there is an I. But when I look backб I can see that there was no I.

It seems that to see that there is no self leads to seeing that there is non-duality. After all, as far as I can tell everything within my experience always was about the self :)
Everything within the experience comes from nothing and then disappears back into nothing. And so the illusion of everything takes place in front of nothing. And the illusion of everything completely obscures the nothing. Or I can use the word oneness istead of the nothing.
As I understand the looking, it is to see that there is oneness behind everything and that everything is illusion.
And when the looking doesn't happen at all, the complete immersion into the illusion of everything happens. And within the illusion of everything "I" is an actor that is thinking, choosing, deciding, feeling emotions and sensations.

[Luchana]

Hi Egor,

you did a good observation.

There is nothing but the content of experience. Reality is the content of experience conceptualized in the context of the existence of the self. It is the illusion that both the Egor character and the I actor exist and are surrounded by the reality with which the I actor interacts and where the Egor character story takes place.

Is there something SOLID, REAL which can be surrounded by something else?
Or there are thoughts about it?

It seems that to see that there is no self leads to seeing that there is non-duality. After all, as far as I can tell everything within my experience always was about the self :)

Isn't it funny? :-)

Everything within the experience comes from nothing and then disappears back into nothing. And so the illusion of everything takes place in front of nothing. And the illusion of everything completely obscures the nothing. Or I can use the word oneness istead of the nothing.
As I understand the looking, it is to see that there is oneness behind everything and that everything is illusion.
And when the looking doesn't happen at all, the complete immersion into the illusion of everything happens. And within the illusion of everything "I" is an actor that is thinking, choosing, deciding, feeling emotions and sensations.

Ok.
Looking means literally to look and not rely on memory or a content of thought. Just a simple, fresh looking again and again.

Sit quietly and relax, take your time just looking at what is in front of you for a while. Observe how thought is dividing and labelling everything into objects and is embellishing them with stories about what they are. This is how to look.

So looking to find the I, me, Egor, the main character - is it possible to see it, smell it, touch it, heard or taste it?

If NO - How is possible than this which cannot be seen, touched, smelled, heard, tasted (i.e. thought) to do anything?

Anything AT ALL?

Much love,
Luchana

[faraner]

Hi, Luchana.

Is there something SOLID, REAL which can be surrounded by something else?

No, nothing is more solid or real than anything else. Nothing can be surrounded by anything else.

Or there are thoughts about it?

Yes, it is a thought-based illusion.

Isn't it funny? :-)

Yes, it is funny)

So looking to find the I, me, Egor, the main character - is it possible to see it, smell it, touch it, heard or taste it?

No, it is not possible to see it, smell it, touch it, hear it or taste it.

If NO - How is possible than this which cannot be seen, touched, smelled, heard, tasted (i.e. thought) to do anything?

I don’t know if it is possible and don't see how it can be possible. I can say that it had never happened. There never was an experience of the I, me, Egor, the main character doing anything.

Anything AT ALL?

Thoughts can do nothing at all. Actually, I don’t have experience of anything doing anything at all. The fact that there are some sounds, images, and sensations associated with some object, say a moving car, doesn’t mean that the car moves or exists. It is just a thought-based story that exists alongside the other contents of experience.

[Luchana]

Hi Egor,

you did a very good looking.

I don’t know if it is possible and don't see how it can be possible. I can say that it had never happened. There never was an experience of the I, me, Egor, the main character doing anything.

Nice :-)

What makes things happen than?
How does it work?


Much love,
Luchana

[faraner]

Hi, Luchana

What makes things happen than?
How does it work?

Content of experience flows from and back into nothing. Nothing seems to be the source, but we can as well call it the flow of experience, or oneness or whatever. The point is that the source is outside the content of experience, and the illusion of experiencer who is experiencing experience is within the content of experience.
What makes the content of experience flow, and how does this process work is impossible to say since there is nothing but the content of experience to go by.

[Luchana]

Hi Egor.

Content of experience flows from and back into nothing. Nothing seems to be the source, but we can as well call it the flow of experience, or oneness or whatever. The point is that the source is outside the content of experience, and the illusion of experiencer who is experiencing experience is within the content of experience.
What makes the content of experience flow, and how does this process work is impossible to say since there is nothing but the content of experience to go by.

Good observation.
Is there someone or something floating in the flow?

What makes the content of experience flow, and how does this process work is impossible to say since there is nothing but the content of experience to go by.

Exactly, it's impossible to say.

Is it ok to not know what's going on?
How does it feel?


Much love
Luchana

[faraner]

Is there someone or something floating in the flow?

No.

Is it ok to not know what's going on?

Sure. That's simply what is.

How does it feel?

Not to know what's going on is fine. The whole thing is really funny.
Sometimes there is exasperation with the story that keeps playing out. There seem to be chunks of the story, fears, and expectations that haven't been looked at and go on unexamined. That is okay too.