Maya

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,
hope your well. I didn’t receive any post today so was just checking that all is well.
Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

Labelling is happening automatically.Labelling starts with words, then words become phrases, phrases become sentences and then Sentences are followed by the stories.stories are narrated by the inner voice.This is how labelling happens automatically.

Yes.


What is the difference between the beginning of this dialog and now ?

I mean the difference between now and the beginning of the dialog, about the seeing through the illusion of a separate self.

NB : I am fine, thank you.

Warissem

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,
Glad to hear that you are okay.

I mean the difference between now and the beginning of the dialog, about the seeing through the illusion of a separate self.

The seeing through the illusion of a separate self has made life interesting.now I spend more time in the present moment. The awareness of the present moment is growing and I notice that present moment pulls me out of the story. So I spend less time in the head and more time with my senses. For example I went for jogging yesterday and I noticed that every few minutes I was pulled out of the story by the sunshine, by the birds flying, by the birds chirping, by the other passerby’s, by my own breathing.

same thing I noticed while I was cooking. I heard the gas flames, the tap running, the chopping or peeling noises, the Fridge, the cooker all pull me out of the separate self and into the present moment.
I have started to see the separate self in action. It is busy creating the next situation, the next conflict, the next drama. Watching it is fun but getting sucked in is suffering.

Thank you Warissem
Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

The seeing through the illusion of a separate self has made life interesting.now I spend more time in the present moment. The awareness of the present moment is growing and I notice that present moment pulls me out of the story. So I spend less time in the head and more time with my senses. For example I went for jogging yesterday and I noticed that every few minutes I was pulled out of the story by the sunshine, by the birds flying, by the birds chirping, by the other passerby’s, by my own breathing.

Beautiful. Life is happening to no one. Look, there is no you to be pulled out of the story. It is only about attention which goes to stories or to direct experience.

same thing I noticed while I was cooking. I heard the gas flames, the tap running, the chopping or peeling noises, the Fridge, the cooker all pull me out of the separate self and into the present moment.

There is no you in any shape or form, is it true ? Look.
There is no you to be pulled out from something which does not exist. Have you SEEN a "me" pulled out from a separate self ?

I have started to see the separate self in action. It is busy creating the next situation, the next conflict, the next drama. Watching it is fun but getting sucked in is suffering.

Can you describe this separate self in action ? Is there really a separate self ?


Warissem

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,

Beautiful. Life is happening to no one. Look, there is no you to be pulled out of the story. It is only about attention which goes to stories or to direct experience.

Thank you for the clarity. Life is happening to no one. That is true.It’s just happening. There is no me to be pulled out of the story.it is only attention which goes to stories or to direct experience. In the past attention has only been on to a story but now new patterns are emerging where attention is in the present moment through senses.

There is no you in any shape or form, is it true ? Look.
There is no you to be pulled out from something which does not exist. Have you SEEN a "me" pulled out from a separate self ?

There is no me in any shape or form. That is true.There is no me to be pulled out of something which does not exist. “I”don’t exist so therefore my story doesn’t exist either. It’s just a world of patterns and awareness.where ever the awareness is that pattern will shine. I have not seen a “me” pulled out
from a separate self.

Can you describe this separate self in action ? Is there really a separate self ?

Separate self in action means operating from the old patterns and habits.
Also getting attached to every thought and taking everything personally.In reality there is no separate self no me . Life is just happening.
Thank you 🙏🏽

Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

Get for a walk in a park or somewhere else, LOOK at what is going on and notice the arising of the thought "I" in each experience. Write down about what you see, about your feelings.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,

Get for a walk in a park or somewhere else, LOOK at what is going on and notice the arising of the thought "I" in each experience. Write down about what you see, about your feelings.

While walking , thoughts were arising about work. It was my first day back after the long illness. Some anxiety about Covid. Catching up with the new technology but there were no I thoughts .There was seeing of thoughts and there were more thoughts about possible solutions. There were no I feelings .

Later, I was in the kitchen making dinner. Dinner was done early so I sat in the kitchen and read this question and Looked. In this experience thoughts were arising about sitting in the kitchen alone as if I was doing something wrong.Thoughts were keep coming to go to the lounge and watch t.v. Also thoughts were about other members of the family.what if someone comes in the kitchen. What will they think and how I would get up quickly and pretend to do something Or thoughts were keep coming about looking at the clock. There was seeing of sensations in stomach (nervous energy) There was seeing that body was tense with jaws clinching and feet were not flat on the floor.
I was feeling nervous.
Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

It is not wrong to do nothing. When there is a sensation, just look at it, welcome it. See it as what it is, a sensation.

Now I will give you an exercise about the thoughts and the belief in them. Usually, we take for true, what thoughts are saying, that is the cause of lot of suffering. What you said in your last post is a good example : you felt guilty for doing nothing and there is this tension in the body, etc ...

There is a thought about water, images of Mamta drinking water. Does this thoughts about water, real ? Can you drink this water and quench your thirst ?

Do the same exercise with the anxiety about covid, and about the thought "I am wrong if I do nothing" or whatever belief you have. Just confront the belief to direct experience.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem, Thank you for today’s exercise. It was very helpful.

It is not wrong to do nothing. When there is a sensation, just look at it, welcome it. See it as what it is, a sensation.

Thank for explaining so beautifully.Also I was watching movie the other day and the main character walks into a trap of being kidnapped- I felt strong sensations in my stomach as if I was walking into a trap. There was a good clarity there what sensations are. They are just reactions to the situation. Mind does know if situations are real or not.

Now I will give you an exercise about the thoughts and the belief in them. Usually, we take for true, what thoughts are saying, that is the cause of all
of suffering.

Understood the cause of suffering very well . This was a big sticky point for me. I never put thoughts and the belief in them together. This point was really helpful.Thank you.

There is a thought about water
, images of Mamta drinking water. Does this thoughts about water, real ? Can you drink this water and quench your thirst ?

Thank you for explaining what thoughts are.

Do the same exercise with the anxiety about covid, and about the thought "I am wrong if I do nothing" or whatever belief you have. Just confront the belief to direct experience

So I confronted the belief of “I am wrong if I do nothing”. It was very deep rooted belief from childhood. My dad was in army, he had a loud,angry voice we always had a strict routine to follow. I didn’t know that I had this this belief. I will observe my other beliefs now and do this exercise.


Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

Yes, continue to do the exercise and let me know about the results.

Now, we'll go to another topic : it is about time.

Is there a past if you don't go to thoughts ? Give some examples

Is there a future if you don't do to thoughts ? Give some examples

Warissem

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,

Yes, continue to do the exercise and let me know about the results.

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The exercise about thoughts and beliefs in that really made me look. At first I struggled to see what my beliefs were.But when I Looked carefully there were plenty.

I couldn’t sleep very well last night so I used that time to Look. One by one I confronted many of my beliefs and realised that most of the beliefs were formed when I was little. My beliefs was that I am not good at learning new things. During the direct experience there was a seeing that my sister and I had to stay with my uncle’ for many years .As a child I felt unwanted and unloved. I went to the village school where there was no study so I didn’t learn many things from school or from home.
From there a belief came that I am not good at learning new things. But last night I confronted my belief and realised that I try my best always and I am moving forward always.
This morning when I went to work I felt that I was not afraid to start work. I Try to sort things for myself or ask for help if I am not sure how to do it.

Is there a past if you don't go to thoughts ? Give some examples

No there is no past if I don’t go to thoughts for example:
I really don’t remember what I wore or had for dinner 2 days ago if I don’t I go to thoughts.
I don’t remember so many big incidents in my life if I don’t go to thoughts.
I don’t remember password for many things if I don’t go to thoughts
I don’t remember the dates for passing exams if I don’t go to thoughts
I don’t remember the time when my kids were born if I don’t go to thoughts
I don’t remember what I looked like 20 years ago if I don’t go to thoughts.

Is there a future if you don't do to thoughts ? Give some examples

There is no future if I don’t go to thoughts for example this morning I was driving to work and a thought along with an image came that I was standing in front of my boss and giving update. With in a few seconds I realise that all this was just a thought. I am not even at work how can I update her.

Also plans and expectations from ourselves,from kids about the future don’t exist if I don’t go to thoughts. All that is imagined in thoughts.
Many thanks Warissem for your guidance
Mamta

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,
Felt like sending you another reply about time .
This morning I sat down to Look and realised that there is no past if you don't go to thoughts- there was seeing that a thought popped up about my childhood. So if that thoughts hadn’t popped up there would have been no past only a present moment.

Similarly there was a thought about work that what do I need to do today?
Again without thought there no future.

Thanks
Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

Good observations. Now, in the light of knowing the past as thoughts which arise in the present moment, how about memory ?

In the light of knowing that the future is only thoughts arising now, how about intention to do so and so ?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Priya10]

Hi Warissem,
The timing of the post was brilliant as this gave me all day to Look.Thank you.

I

n light of knowing the past as thoughts which arise in the present moment, how about memory ?

Memories from the past also comes as thoughts which arise in the present moment. As I was looking there was a flash of thought with an image and conversation (like a small video clip). I had a conversation with a colleague of mine yesterday about face masks for 5 minutes.Today that conversation appeared as a thought. That memory appeared in the present moment as a thought.

In the light of knowing that the future is only thoughts arising now, how about intention to do so and so ?

Future is only thoughts arising now, I had a strange experience of that today. I had a meeting with my boss regarding my phase return to work but meeting was cancelled and my intention could not delivered. So same thought was coming again and again . I don’t know how many times .This made me realised that Intention to do things is also a thought.
Kind Regards
Mamta

[warissem]

Hi Mamta

It is fine, you are doing a good job here.

Most of us think that they do chose objects, what to think or what to do. I want to clarify this topics with you.

“Take two objects, a cup of tea and a cup of coffee (or whatever), then sit and see if you can find the choice-point where you could go either way. Describe how choosing happens.”

Do you chose what to do ? Is there a doer ?

Do you chose thoughts ? is there a thinker ?

Is there a decision maker when a choice is made ?

Best wishes

Warissem