On the verge of knowing or is it still a belief?

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana,

Thanks again for your wonderful guidance.

WHAT is it exactly that gets into thinking?
Where is this I that could think or observe?
And where and what is the I which has to power to release the other self?

Good questions. And what am I releasing when noticing that thinking is occurring? Heh appears I was expecting something grander to happen (like a permanent change in the default state of viewing the world) which leads to those thoughts presented in my earlier responses. There is nothing, no "I" that gets into thinking, but the thoughts do appear to distract from what else is happening. This noticing of thinking occurring and returning (or shifting focus back) to other sensory experience is what was meant by releasing it.

How many selves are there?
How many selves are there in experience?
Are there really two? One? Zero? Three?

Zero, nada selves. There is what is happening which includes everything in this awareness, including this body and its interpreting of sensory phenomena and the awareness of the conditioning which being broken down and seen through. No special observer self, that persistent thought which is clearly seen as illusory and not real.

Thanks Luchana, take care.
-Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike,

thank you for your answer, but you didn't reply my first three questions.

There they are again. Please don't bulk-reply, but reply to every quesion one-by-one.
The reason I ask you this is that each quesion is a pointer for you where to look, so please anwer every question one-by-one.

WHAT is it exactly that gets into thinking?

Where is this I that could think or observe?

And where and what is the I which has to power to release the other self?

Zero, nada selves. There is what is happening which includes everything in this awareness, including this body and its interpreting of sensory phenomena and the awareness of the conditioning which being broken down and seen through. No special observer self, that persistent thought which is clearly seen as illusory and not real.

Although you often give the 'right answers', but it doesn't mean that you really see them experientially.
So please, look again every question above very thoroughly and don't bulk-reply. It is not helping you.

Much love.
Luchana

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana, hope all is well, working from home beginning today and I must say its rather convenient :)

Am sticking to answering the questions one by one as you request and as forthcoming as I can get.

WHAT is it exactly that gets into thinking?

A perceived me is what gets into thinking.

Where is this I that could think or observe?

A location for this I is not found. I initially am drawn to inner head area but nothing solid is found. This I is seen as illusory.

And where and what is the I which has to power to release the other self?

Not seeing anything to release or any I to do anything.

Take care,
Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike,

yes, everything is ok with me. Working in a home office since 2017 :-)
Hope everyone near you is safe.


This time I will ask you only one question, Please, stay with it as long as you can. Use this time at home and look 50-80-100 and even more times a day. Be very, very alert. Looking and seeing no-self is not a one-time event. Looking is about constant repetition.

A perceived me is what gets into thinking.

So HOW is this 'perceived me' is perceived exactly?


Much love,
Luchana

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana,

So HOW is this 'perceived me' is perceived exactly?

In looking at HOW this perceived me is perceived it is like a fog lifted, it is quite clear this perceived me is nothing more than thought. There was much giddiness over seeing this clearly at first yesterday and the clarity continues today. On my walk this afternoon a sense of oneness came over me again which was nice and ever since yesterday when this how question was seen its like a sense of lightness and ease in everything around me.

I thank you again with your guidance!

-Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike,

thank you for your reply.

On my walk this afternoon a sense of oneness came over me again which was nice and ever since yesterday when this how question was seen its like a sense of lightness and ease in everything around me.

Beautiful :-)

Please look at the questions bellow:

Can you say with 100% certainty that there is no such thing a chooser?
Is it completely clear that there is no I/me choosing or deciding?

Is it totally clear that there is no such thing as choice or free will?

If not, please write some examples when it seems to be otherwise.


Take your time, look at them as many times as you can - 50 and more and write what is true for you.

Much love,

Luchana

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana,

Sorry for the slight delay in responding, was exhausted yesterday.

Can you say with 100% certainty that there is no such thing a chooser?

There is no such thing as a chooser, this is certain.

Is it completely clear that there is no I/me choosing or deciding?

This too is certain. Appearance of choosing/deciding is seen as thought and no longer believed as some I or me taking action.

Is it totally clear that there is no such thing as choice or free will?

There is no free will or choice, these are thought labels and seen as part of the illusion.

Hope you are faring well during this social distancing order in place in a lot of the world and you are being safe. All is well over here. Really appreciate all your guidance in this investigation, much love to you.

Take care,
Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike.

Sorry for the slight delay in responding, was exhausted yesterday.

It's ok. All is good.

So can you say with 100% certainty that it's seen experientially that there is no self, or it's mainly an intellectual understanding?

Is there any doubt?

Much love,
Luchana

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana,

So can you say with 100% certainty that it's seen experientially that there is no self, or it's mainly an intellectual understanding?

Yes, I can say with certainty that experientially it has been seen there is no self. A felt general sense of ease and lightness with everything, enjoyment in being in this ever-flowing experience persists.

This did not lead to a big explosion of sudden awareness, revelation, or anything like that, an expectation I had held prior to this process that was seen through earlier in the investigation. It was experienced in subtle aha moments throughout looking into the various questions presented. The HOW is the perceived me exactly perceived investigation the one that sunk it in for good.

Is there any doubt?

No doubts here.


Much appreciation for you,
Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike,

This did not lead to a big explosion of sudden awareness

Do you believe that seeing through the self means to become a clear, never changing, never ending awareness in the background of the happenings of all phenomena?


How is this ‘awareness’ is perceived exactly?

As a thought? A sensation? An imagination?


Take your time.

Much love,
Luchana

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana,

This did not lead to a big explosion of sudden awareness

Do you believe that seeing through the self means to become a clear, never changing, never ending awareness in the background of the happenings of all phenomena?

There is no self to be seen through, no unchanging and never ending observer. These were all thoughts that formed an underlying belief structure that is no longer at root. There is difficulty in words describing what is being aware, an awareness embedding this flow of happenings perhaps.

How is this ‘awareness’ is perceived exactly?

There is no awareness as referenced to be perceived, it was a label for an underlying belief since seen through.

As a thought? A sensation? An imagination?

It was a thought.

Much love,
Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike,

You have to investigate experience, because you might think that you are looking,
but that might not be always the case.
Your answers are sort of tight, like you are afraid to say something wrong.
You have a very good intellectual understanding, but it doesn't mean that you see it fully.

“There is difficulty in words describing what is being aware, an awareness embedding this flow of happenings perhaps. “

Can it be actually seen “an awareness embedding this flow of happenings”?
Or it is rather assumption?

Look arround you - all the colours, sounds, sensations, thoughts.

Where exactly is the “awareness embedding this flow of happenings?

Behind them or maybe in front?

What qualities has the awareness? That you be able to experience them with your senses?

Does the awareness have an extra power?

Or is there an awareness belonging to the body?

Please be VERY CAREFUL NOT to go to thinking, speculating, or any learned information.
Only look at what is here now.

Look with every single question above, and don't think about write and wrong answers.

Much love to you
Luchana

[ramziger]

Hi Luchana,

Can it be actually seen “an awareness embedding this flow of happenings”?
Or it is rather assumption?

No - there is no awareness separate, it is all part of what is happening. My surroundings just are what they are, there is no self separately experiencing it is all happening together in one movement. There are thoughts that label objects in the surroundings, thoughts that give a sense of a subject, a doer, a chooser, an observer, but all these come and go, no longer believed in, no longer assumed to be real. Poor descriptions still occur when trying to explain the experience and the thought of some thing that cared about being right vs wrong is seen and acknowledged to be investigated later and dismissed. Otherwise just enjoying being with what is my dear Luchana! 😊

Look arround you - all the colours, sounds, sensations, thoughts.

Where exactly is the “awareness embedding this flow of happenings?

nowhere - it is a label, a thought only ... the desperate plea of a self wanting to be included lol - and sorry for indulging in speculation again ;D

Behind them or maybe in front?

neither

What qualities has the awareness? That you be able to experience them with your senses?

none it is not a tangible thing

Does the awareness have an extra power?

No

Or is there an awareness belonging to the body?

there is awareness of the body but it does not belong to anything

Be safe and enjoy the weekend!

With love,
Mike

[Luchana]

Hi Mike.

Where exactly is the “awareness embedding this flow of happenings?
nowhere - it is a label, a thought only ... the desperate plea of a self wanting to be included lol

Lovely :-)

none it is not a tangible thing

Can you find a non-tangible one?

there is awareness of the body but it does not belong to anything

Let's make an exercise and investigate this.

Put your attention onto the sensations of your hands.
And while you are feeling your hands, try to find where those sensations are 'aware-d' or known from?

Then for a few more minutes just sit with closed eyes, and just feel the sensations of the body from head to toe.

What is FEELING these sensations?

Where are these sensations FELT FROM?

Find the exact location.

What is aware of these sensations?

What knows these sensations?


Be very careful no to think about these questions, but really look.
Even if the answer seems to be clear, look more.
Please repeat these exercises several times (10+) before replying and write what comes up.

Much love,
Luchana

[ramziger]

Hello Luchana,

Can you find a non-tangible one?

No.

there is awareness of the body but it does not belong to anything

Let's make an exercise and investigate this.

Put your attention onto the sensations of your hands.
And while you are feeling your hands, try to find where those sensations are 'aware-d' or known from?

The sensations are directly felt. The ‘awareness’ or ‘known’ aspect is actually a thought about the sensations.

Then for a few more minutes just sit with closed eyes, and just feel the sensations of the body from head to toe.

What is FEELING these sensations?

The sensations are felt as bodily interactions, I can’t say there is a ‘what’ FEELING these sensations other than a thought to label the sensation or define the feeling someway.

Where are these sensations FELT FROM?

I’m not aware of a FROM these sensations are felt, they just are there.

Find the exact location.

I can’t find any location.

What is aware of these sensations?

Nothing

What knows these sensations?

Nothing

Luchana, these last questions appear to be assuming there is something separate that is aware or knows which isn't seen. There is no 'what' to be aware or to know these things, I can't describe what is aware of these sensations, what is seeing this screen, feeling the keys pressing down as typing, it just is.

Much love,
Mike