Awakent

[Seamist]

Explore that

[Seamist]

Explore that: what is your actual experience? I'd there any more there than a belief?

[Abner]

Explore that: what is your actual experience?
My experience is a feeling/awareness that I
exist. Surely you are not deniying that I exist.
There may be no personal I..but there is existance.

I'd there any more there than a belief?
No, its what is believed.

[Seamist]

Hi

My experience is a feeling/awareness that I
exist.

Can this feeling/awareness be found in direct experience?

There is life/ existence, but not an "I" that is doing it or owning it. What's your response to that?
xx

[Abner]

Can this feeling/awareness be found in direct experience?
No

There is life/ existence, but not an "I" that is doing it or owning it. What's your response to that?
I know the esoteric answer...but if I was able to
see it...I would be home...we would have achieved what we have been working towards.
Sorry there is still a me here.

[Seamist]

Ok, explore the "me" - where is it? what does it look/taste/touch/smell/sound like?
How do you know that it exists?

[Seamist]

Just wondering, Abner, if there's resistance / fear/expectations getting n the way at tis point? Please look and let me know what you find
xx

[Abner]

Ok, explore the "me" - where is it?
There was a movie with Eddie Murphy where
he was an alien. His space ship was the size and form of a human body...He and his crew were all
in the head part of the ship...Thats how it apears to me.

what does it look/taste/touch/smell/sound like?
Has no look/ taste/ touch/ smell / sound.
How do you know that it exists?
Has no DE of it but I feel a definate sense that
its spread out in my head.

I once read a book, ONENESS, by John Griven.
In the book he "cuts" off parts of the body
"showing" each time that you are not that
part or in that part...He goes through the entire body part by part. When he gets to the head
he says that he will put that aside, for the moment and get back to it later. He never
truely gets back to it...leaving one to think!!

[Abner]

Just wondering, Abner, if there's resistance / fear/expectations getting n the way at tis point? Please look and let me know what you find

I have suspected, for a long time, that fear is whats stopping me/ holding me back from seeing.
I have tried to deduice what the fear is,
preciously, about...I come up short.
Intellectually it may be a fear of loss.
Loss is a reacurring theme in my life.

I have come to the conclusion that most
people in LU guidence dont really "get it/ see it "
after 3 or 4 days of guidence. I believe that
they are faking it. Monks, in Thailand, with
intensive study believe it takes a few lifetimes
to " get it ". They dont seem to get it.
I dont know what the prerequisit is for getting
it is..It may be grace???

[Abner]

I meant to say precisely not preciously.

[Seamist]

Hi Abner
I think we've hit something of a wall, do you agree?
xx

[Abner]

I think we've hit something of a wall, do you
agree?
I dont think so. I dont agree.
The thing is...nothing changed..nothing new
I've only stateing what I've always felt.
There is no progressive path.
Some "see" it some dont...The thing is not
to give up...maybe it will come...maybe it wont.

[Abner]

Sory for the poor English...sometimes I just go with my thoughts.

I would like to be clear, I did not say/imply that
LU was not a great thing...which I think it is
and I feel that the guides are angles. I only
stated that I did not believe those that claimed
to be AWAKENED after only 3 or 4 days/posts.

[Seamist]

Hi Abner
Lots of thinking going on! Just a few thoughts in response ...

Firstly LU "gating" is only a step on the path. There is further to go after that, should people chose to do it. It's not a full "awakening".
People's experience varies enormously - for some it can be almost instantaneous (as it was for me), others take more time. Others just don't get iy

I'm not sure what to suggest for you now -I do feel that we're hitting some stuckness - whether it's about doubt, fear, or expectations, or some combination thereof. You've shown enormous perseverance, but I have actually almost run out of questions to put to you now. we can continue with them if you wish, though.

Let me know your resposes
xx
Sioned

[Abner]

Thank you for letting me know that it was instantaneous for you. It sheds a new light on things for me.

I wish to thank you, so very much, for your tremendous effort
and I can see that you really care.
I guess I will call it quits. Again thank you for your
kindness, patience, and effort.

Take care...stay healthy!
Always...Abner