Awakent

[Abner]

Hi, my special friend
I am so sorry
I really wanted to work with you.
You really are Special.
Your friend always...Abner

[StaffordJR]

Hi, my special friend
I am so sorry
I really wanted to work with you.
You really are Special.
Your friend always...Abner

Hi Abner Thank You for Your Kindness & Patients & I Loved Guiding You & understand You Really wanted to work with me, but it's better for You too have someone that You can understand better & that is Really no Problems & My Pleasure to do so for You !!! I'm Going Too ask the Group for Someone too Take things From Here !!! Everything always works out for the Best No Matter what it is or How it Looks !!! I Really Appreciate You my Friend Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter Yours Truly Stafford

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[Abner]

Hi, Stafford
Thank you for trying so hard to help me.
I really appreciate you.
Much Happiness...Abner

[Verananda]

Hi Abner,

we can continue this investigation together ... are you up for that?
:-)

First I like to check expectations with you .... you wrote in your opener about freedom, end of suffering, beeing free from mind etc. and its very good to be honest with all that and look into whatever shows up ....

Please read about what "Liberation Unleashed is not…"
http://www.liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Be aware of all thought but also emotional reactions, sensations, whatever comes up
And please share with me ....

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
Thank you for taking on this hard case..me!
I read what LU is not, over a month ago.
The reason that my expectations were what
they were, is because looking back on my life
I see that many things that happened, that were not so good...were caused by "Me". No one else to blame. These memories constantly haunt me.
If I can see that there is no "Me", and that I am not the doer, I can eliminate much of my suffering.
As for my thoughts: I have read many books, like
"THE POWER OF POSITIVE THINKING", "PSYCO CYBERNETICS" etc. All ofwhich
suggests that you can influence your thinking.
As you have read, I have been seeking for a long time. What I have gotten out of it is: that I dont
see what is right in front of me!!
Be well and thank you again...Abner

[Verananda]

Hi Abner,

well yes there are a lot of books and gurus out there who suggest a lot of ideas like "you can influence your thinking", "awakening is endless bliss", "no me no suffering ..."....

What we do here is putting beside all books, videos and teachings and start with absolutly fresh eyes of knowing nothing ... we start to realy LOOK what is true. Are you up for that?

that I dont see what is right in front of me!!

yes, exactly, and you are not alone with that.
its like that for most people and we will do it together step by step ....

I see that many things that happened, that were not so good...were caused by "Me". No one else to blame. These memories constantly haunt me.

That impies that there was and is someone who could do different, right?
... we will look at that ...!

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, again, Ve
I can see that reactions and sensations happen
automatically, without me... I see this clearly.
Its thought that seems to be the problem.
Also when I meditate, it appears that I am quieting my mind.
Be well...Abner

[Abner]

Ve
I wrote the last post, in responce to your first post to me, unaware of your last post. You posted while I was texting.
Abner

[Abner]

Ve
I wrote the last post, in responce to your first post to me, unaware of your last post. You posted while I was texting.
Abner

[Verananda]

ok, so please aswer to my latest post, might be similar to what you wrote, to be clear what is you answer to what question ....

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
In your first post you asked about reactions,
sensations and thoughts...thats what I was replying to. I had left that out in my first post.
So, yes I am willing to start from scratch.
Yes it "appears" that I have some control over thought...even though, intellectually, I know that I dont.
Be well...Abner

[Verananda]

Hi Abner,

great.

So then we do an exercise about thought, from scratch ;-)

Sit quietly for about 30 minutes and notice the arising thoughts.
Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are
saying and just notice how they appear without you doing anything at all.
Where are they coming from and going to?
Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment
instead?
Can you predict your next thought?
Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?
It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just
notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these
thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one
thought follows another thought’?

Realy do this exercise. It is big difference between "knowing it" and SEEING DIRECTLY.

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
I will do as you asked. When reading your post
I felt an uncomfortable sensation in my stomach.
I am not sure but maybe I am afraid of loosing
"Me"...again I am not sure that is what it is.
Much appreciation...Abner

[Abner]

Ve
I had received notice of another post, from you.
Their was no post.
This has happened before.
Abner

[Verananda]

you see all posts here in the thread.
sometimes the system creates some chaos ... ;-)