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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:38 am

Hi Brenda,
I know this must be an expectation but I thought once I saw, it would only be that way.
Yes, this is a big expectation. And all expectations are based on the desires of the separate self.

What is it that has this expectation? Does this expectation belong to you?
For example, once I knew about Santa, I never questioned it again.
I see that I does not exist, I see very clearly, but then questions still arise.
So there is an IDEA about how things SHOULD BE which doesn’t match what is ACTUALLY going on.
But whose concern is that?

Is there a YOU that wants a different experience than how it is right now?
I find I forget to keep looking during conversations.
What is it that forgets looking during conversations?
Is there a you or a looker which sometimes look but other times not?
Is looking is done by you?


Looking and not looking will come and go, but the freedom is in seeing that if there is a chord, tape, or glue sticking it to something or someone. A simple check for what it's sticking to reveals the nature of reality.

Look right now... Is looking or the lack of looking is glued to someone/something?

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:03 am

Hi Vivian,
Thank you for these questions. I am starting to do this myself as well so this is a big help!!
What is it that has this expectation? Does this expectation belong to you?
Hmm. Good question. As I look for who owns the expectation, it is clearly just a thought. I look at this thought and see another thought saying this is a belief, and the thought disappears. lol It is too funny.
So yes, as I look I see this expectation does not belong to anybody, as anybody does not exist. It is just another thought.
So there is an IDEA about how things SHOULD BE which doesn’t match what is ACTUALLY going on.
But whose concern is that?
I see this is the same belief as the one above. I look for the one that is concerned about this, and only see the "I" concerned inside a thought.
Is there a YOU that wants a different experience than how it is right now?
I Look for the "I" and see it does not exist. This is just another thought arising talking about the same belief as above. I look directly at this thought and it disappears.
What is it that forgets looking during conversations?
Is there a you or a looker which sometimes look but other times not?
Is looking is done by you?
I look for the one who forgets and I see the same belief in the thought story about my expectations.
I see clearer about what it is, after dropping these beliefs.

I see another thought telling me to be awake, i must be looking, I see this is just another thought, and it disappears.
I see the looking is not done by anybody, it just is happening, and there can be looking or not looking but either way, it is all just happening.
Looking and not looking will come and go, but the freedom is in seeing that if there is a chord, tape, or glue sticking it to something or someone. A simple check for what it's sticking to reveals the nature of reality.

Look right now... Is looking or the lack of looking is glued to someone/something?
I see this very clearly, and more often each day.
I had another experience of, well not sure of what. I was driving to work and saw a stop sign and the thought was saying it didn't know what to do. This time, as I looked, I pulled over until I could decide what to do.
I had a few issues like this today, although when I am at home, it is not life threatening.

Other than these situations, I feel very clear, and "free".

Thoughts?

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:47 am

Hi Brenda,
I see this is the same belief as the one above. I look for the one that is concerned about this, and only see the "I" concerned inside a thought.
Is there an actual ‘I’ inside thoughts being concerned?
Or is there only THOUGHTS ABOUT an ‘I’ being concerned?

Look now for any evidence of a separate 'self'. Is there any?

Is anything separate from what is happening?

What and where is the 'looker' as some-thing, (however subtle) that somehow stands separate from everything that is happening?

Can you say with certainty that the separate self is just an illusion and not reality?


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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:50 am

I am seeing clearer everyday.
I see now that it doesn't matter if I am looking or not, it only matters that I know that the "I" doesn't exist.
I see that I am sometimes looking and sometimes not looking but that doesn't change the fact that the "I" does not exist.
I see my personality will not change only my perception.
I see that I am not going to have bells and whistles go off, but I will see truth for what it is.
I see expectations that I still believed expecting something to be different, that are no longer beliefs.
I see now that I was really holding onto how I thought it should be. These thoughts are also gone.

I think I can say a big fat YES that I see the I does not exist, and life is happening, without any control from me.

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:58 am

Hi Brenda,
I think I can say a big fat YES that I see the I does not exist, and life is happening, without any control from me.
Great! :)

How’s does it FEEL to see this?

What has changed in normal everyday experience since the start of this conversation?
What hasn’t changed?

What is the main difference?


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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:23 am

How’s does it FEEL to see this?
What has changed in normal everyday experience since the start of this conversation?
Nothing has changed in normal everyday experience. I still go to work, take care of family, etc, but the way I see it has changed. I used to believe that things that happened around me we because of "me". I determined everything that happened each day. But I see this is not true. Things are just happening.

In watching things unfold, it brings a sense of peace, a quietness that I hadn't experienced before, almost a little "scary" at first.
I see that thoughts do not stop, they keep on going, but I see that they are just a story and don't get engaged in them. I often do not even listen to them, but instead look at the actual experience.
I see that I still feel emotion, but I see that they are also just part of the story, and do not have to suffer because of them.
I see others acting in ways that would bother me and now see them differently as they are also not in control.

I do notice I am doing things differently. As I watch, I see patterns that I used to have, are dissolving and I am doing things in new ways. For example, as I watch I went a different way to work, or I don't do things in a certain order like I used to. I see thoughts come up saying that it is not the right way to do it, but as I continue on the thought disappears.

I see that there are more things forgotten, and I know you will say who is forgetting, but sometimes I have to look at thoughts and not just experience. For example, I will have a thought to do something in the kitchen, then I will experience the walk, and when I get in the kitchen, I won't know what was supposed to happen there. Then thoughts will come up saying what I was supposed to do there. But there is a gap in the process, which I didn't notice before.
This is getting better over the days, but it is different.

What hasn’t changed?
My personality hasn't changed. "I" am still who I am, still doing the daily things I do, still liking the same things I liked before, I just see that I am not choosing these things, they are just happening.
I see there are still thoughts with certain "concerns" but I see that they are still just thoughts and nothing more.
I see my body still has pains, and my day still goes on as every other day.
Nothing on the "outside" has changed.
What is the main difference?
The main difference is my perception in what I see.
I see that I am not in control and that I never was.
I see "I" am not my emotions.
I see myself quieter now as it does not seem important to talk.
I see many things are not important now.

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:54 am

Hi Brenda,
The main difference is my perception in what I see.
I see that I am not in control and that I never was.
I see "I" am not my emotions.
I see myself quieter now as it does not seem important to talk.
I see many things are not important now.
And WHAT is it that sees all if these?

Is there anything or anyone separate form what is seen?


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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:19 pm

And WHAT is it that sees all if these?

Is there anything or anyone separate form what is seen?
And yet I am still believing thoughts. haha.
I look and don't see anything or anybody who sees this only the seeing of these feelings.
There is nothing separate.

Intellectually then, thoughts are always unreal, so do that mean, I will never have an opinion as opinions come from thought.
And conversations come from thoughts as well, so are they unreal?

I had a few days of constant looking and really seeing I do not exit.
This am I woke up with thoughts of doubt. I looked and looked and still do not find anything or anybody controlling anything.
I do not see the "I" existing.
I looked at direct experience

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:06 am

Hi Brenda,
I had a few days of constant looking and really seeing I do not exit.
Which statement feels more true:

The ‘I’ does not exist,
OR
the ‘I’ exist only as an illusion?
This am I woke up with thoughts of doubt. I looked and looked and still do not find anything or anybody controlling anything.
All right. So doubting thoughts sometimes come up.

Does it matter if doubting thoughts come up?
Do these thoughts change the fact that the self is an illusion?


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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:47 am

Which statement feels more true:

The ‘I’ does not exist,
OR
the ‘I’ exist only as an illusion?
As I look for which is more true, I see them as the same. The "I" exits only as an illusion means the "I" does not exist as an illusion does not exist.
I like the second statement better as the "I" does exist with in the thoughts (or illusion).
By Seeing that the I does not exist, one knows that the story of "I" must be an illusion.



Does it matter if doubting thoughts come up?
Do these thoughts change the fact that the self is an illusion?
No it does not matter that doubting thoughts arise as the content of the thoughts are not real, and no they do not change the fact that the self is an illusion.
It is only a thought.

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:24 am

Hi Brenda,

Please answer the following questions with some detail please, and answer what's true for you rather than any sort of 'ideal' answer. Also please provide examples where asked.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

6) Anything to add?


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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:47 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
There is no separate entities in any shape or form. They do not exist.
I see the "I" in the content of thought and only there, but see that this is an illusion. Thoughts are telling the story and nothing more, just an illusion.
There was never a separate entity. It was just an illusion that was believed.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.

Thoughts tell the story of the illusion of a separate self.
The process, as I see it, starts with an experience (sound, taste, smell, sensation, color, knowing of a thought), then a thought arises labelling or narrating what just happened. The thought arises and disappears without anybody or anything making this happen. It just happens. They just appear and tell the story of the self. All of the thoughts are related to what the "I" is doing or feeling or thinking, etc. But it is just a story, and illusion.
3) How does it feel to see this?
As I look and see there is no self, I see there is no need to control anything or to identify with emotion, etc.
it actually feels freer, more clear, more alive.
I see there is less judgment and less thinking now. There is more watching things unfold and not attaching to the situation.
I laugh at situations easier, and just feel things flowing more.
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.


Once I really seen that the "I" is not controlling anything or doing anything, my perception changed, but it wasn't clear at first.
For example, I was doing really well staying in direct experience, but at the expense of my safety. For example, I was walking down the street and really only having a direct experience. I got to the traffic light, and a thought arose "what does a red light mean", the second thought was " I do not know", and I walked right in front of a bus. A sensation arose, with the thought of fear arose, and disappeared, and I backed out of the road. After this experience, I continued to not see any thought about this and continued on my way. I had a few of these experiences relating to safety, but none have happened lately.

After that, there were experiences of forgetfulness. For example, I would have a thought to go in the kitchen to get my phone, I would walk to the kitchen and would not be able to remember what I went there for. As I would wait, thoughts would appear telling me what I was doing. This was challenging, but it also has cleared, and now I see clearer.
Doubts still arise in thoughts occasionally, but I see thoughts for what they are, and they disappear.

As I look now, I see things with "new" eyes. I see things for what they are, with no thought overlay, or judgement. Emotions still arise, but I see them for what they are, and they disappear quickly. My challenging relationships have settled, and I see it is just happening, and it does not affect "me" in anyway. I have this feeling of laughter often, and it is good.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
For the longest time, I could not see past the thoughts. Even when I "thought" I was in direct experience, I looked and it was another thought.
The time that pushed me over was as I sat here and looked, I was in direct experience, and I saw clearly that I was not the looker but the looking, and as I saw the looking everything was in the now. It was very clear that there was no future or past and I could see that time was only in the content of the thought. I had to laugh to myself. It took a few additional days to commit that I definitely saw that there was no self. As I look, things are happening all around me, and I am the watching.
There is no looker, watcher, doer, etc. It just is.

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.
I see decision, intention, free will, choice and control are all just contents of thoughts and nothing more. Nothing makes these things happen, they just happen.
In experience, there will be a sensation or a feeling that appears, and a thought appears to tell us what just happened. When one believes they are in control, they "think" they need to make a decision, but if there is just watching, one will see that it just happens and we didn't have to do anything. Things just flow.
For example, The cat needs to be fed. So "I", thinking I am in control, decides to feed the cat. OR, just watching one sees the cat will be fed anyway, there was no decision to be made. there was no control to be had, it just happens.
Before, I thought I made all of these decisions, and because I made these decisions, I also felt the stress of the results. Now I see that it is just happening, and there is no stress to feel as a result.
b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.
I see that I am not responsible for anything. Things just happen. At work, I have a list of things that need to be done. "I" could go through the list and "choose" what to do, or instead by just looking, "I" see that things are getting done anyway with out me deciding or choosing what to do. I see the list is just getting done. "I" did not decide what to do, it was just being done, and in perfect order. Seeing that there is no choice to be made and things are still moving along - there is great peace in this.
Just like in a movie, we are watching things move along, and have no responsibility of the outcome.

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:47 am

Hi Brenda,

This time I given you lots of questions. I pointed out all the beliefs in your previous reply. Please be very thorough. Don’t rush through these questions.

LOOK at all of them one-by-one. ALWAYS look AFRESH. NEVER rely on the MEMORY of a previous looking.
Even when I’m asking the same question again and again, please look with each of them again and again.

If you need an extra day to get over these questions, that’s all right. Just be very thorough.
As I look and see there is no self, I see there is no need to control anything or to identify with emotion, etc.
What is it that looks and sees that there is no need to control?
There is more watching things unfold and not attaching to the situation.
What is it that watching things to unfold?
I was doing really well staying in direct experience
For the longest time, I could not see past the thoughts. Even when I "thought" I was in direct experience, I looked and it was another thought.
WHAT is it that was staying in direct experience?
Is there some-thing outside of experience which could stay in experience?
As I would wait, thoughts would appear telling me what I was doing.
“thought would appear telling me” – WHAT is it that thoughts are talking to?
This was challenging, but it also has cleared, and now I see clearer.
Doubts still arise in thoughts occasionally, but I see thoughts for what they are, and they disappear.
WHAT sees thoughts?
As I look now, I see things with "new" eyes. I see things for what they are, with no thought overlay, or judgement. Emotions still arise, but I see them for what they are, and they disappear quickly. My challenging relationships have settled, and I see it is just happening, and it does not affect "me" in anyway.
You are talking as if still there were a ‘you’ which can look and see with new eyes. And this ‘you’ can see things without thought overlay.

Where is this ‘you’ that sees all of these and is unaffected by what is happening?
The time that pushed me over was as I sat here and looked, I was in direct experience, and I saw clearly that I was not the looker but the looking, and as I saw the looking everything was in the now.
So, before there was an identification with the looker, and now the identification moved to the looking.
But it’s still identification.
It’s still the belief in the ‘me’. Just now I am not the looker but the looking.
As I look, things are happening all around me, and I am the watching.
And this statement shows that the self is not seen through clearly.
It just moved to from the watcher to the watching.

HOW do you know that ‘I am the watching’?
WHERE is this ‘I’ that could be the watching or looking?

When one believes they are in control, they "think" they need to make a decision, but if there is just watching, one will see that it just happens and we didn't have to do anything.
What is it that could believe that it is in control?
What is it that will see that it’s just happen, and that this one doesn’t have to do anything?
For example, The cat needs to be fed. So "I", thinking I am in control, decides to feed the cat. OR, just watching one sees the cat will be fed anyway, there was no decision to be made.
This is still the belief in the self. Just now I’m not in control, but I am the one that is watching.

And although you say that there is no watcher, just watching, and yet you still believe that there is a watcher watching all if this, and you are this watcher.

Just you call it watching instead of watcher. But the words don’t matter. It’s still a belief in an entity/self/me.
Now I see that it is just happening, and there is no stress to feel as a result.
Again, here is an identification with the seer/watcher.

So you don’t have to feel stress, since you are not the decider, since you are just the watcher, watching how decision happens all by itself.

So WHERE is this YOU who sees/watches/watching/looking?
Show me this observer/watcher/watching that sees everything happening by itself?

At work, I have a list of things that need to be done. "I" could go through the list and "choose" what to do, or instead by just looking, "I" see that things are getting done anyway with out me deciding or choosing what to do.
Same again. There is a me, who even have options to choose between choosing or just watching choosing to happen.

Where is this one that could choose to ‘choose and decide OR just look how everything is getting done’?

Just like in a movie, we are watching things move along, and have no responsibility of the outcome.
Again, there is the believe that ‘I am the watcher of the movie’.

Find this watcher. Please don’t just say that you believed the thoughts, but rather ACTIVELY SEARCH FOR this watcher of the movie.

WHERE is this watcher/watching?
Is it inside the head?
Behind the eyes maybe?

WHERE is the exact location where watching is happening FROM?


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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Brenda » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:07 am

What is it that looks and sees that there is no need to control?
I do not see anything "looking". When looking is happening, I feel calm as everything is just happening. I I don't see "calm" anywhere. it is just a feeling. The looker does not exist as it cannot be found. There is nothing to be done by anybody or anything.
What is it that watching things to unfold?
I look and look and do not see anything that is "watching", just things happening.

This question keeps being asked, so I must be missing something. Is there another pointer to make this clearer? I see that there is no "I", and I see there is nobody that is missing something. Please help here.
WHAT is it that was staying in direct experience?
Is there some-thing outside of experience which could stay in experience?
This is true. I do not see a line between in or out of experience. The experience is just happening. Sometimes it is very clear that I see things are just happening, and sometimes it is not. I will keep looking.

“thought would appear telling me” – WHAT is it that thoughts are talking to?
I do not see thoughts talking to anything or telling anybody anything, they are just telling a story.

WHAT sees thoughts?
I do not see anything that sees thought, they are just there telling a story. As I look, I see thoughts arise that tell stories of the future or the past, but they are not real they are just stories, and they disappear. I do not see the "I" that sees them, except in another thought that says "I" see them. It an illusion that the "I" is doing anything. It does not exist, it is not here.
As the arm moves, I see that "I" am not moving it, yet the arm moved, and then a thought arose saying my arm moved. I see in the content of the thought it says "my" arm, but only in the thought does this exist. I do not see ownership anywhere else. I see the thought is creating an illusion of the arm belonging to "me", but this is only in thought.
You are talking as if still there were a ‘you’ which can look and see with new eyes. And this ‘you’ can see things without thought overlay.
Where is this ‘you’ that sees all of these and is unaffected by what is happening?
As I reread this statement, I see what you are questioning and I agree.
I see that it doesn't matter if I am looking or not looking, the "I" still does not exist.
Experience is happening without the "I" doing anything. The only "you" I see is in the content of thought, and I see this is not real. I see this is another illusion that separates the self.

HOW do you know that ‘I am the watching’?
WHERE is this ‘I’ that could be the watching or looking?
I see watching happening, when I look for the watcher, I see it does not exist, but yet sometimes I still think it is there. I see the watcher is just in the thought, and no where else. I cannot find a watcher,

I do not always see the difference between the watcher and the watching. Can you send a different pointer?

What is it that could believe that it is in control?
What is it that will see that it’s just happen, and that this one doesn’t have to do anything?
The belief of control is only in thought. It is an illusion and nothing more.
There is nothing that sees - it's just seen, There is nobody seeing anything only the seen.
The belief that one doesn't have to do anything is just a belief, just a thought. There isn't "anybody" or "anything". It is just another thought.
So WHERE is this YOU who sees/watches/watching/looking?
Show me this observer/watcher/watching that sees everything happening by itself?
I See the "YOU" only in a thought, in the illusion. I cannot find the seer, but I am having a difficult time not attaching to the watcher.
I see when I raise my hand, "I" did not control it, it just happens. The thought says this happened. "I" did not have anything to do with the movement. It was seen, but I do not find the seer who saw it. The "Seer" only exists in the thought saying "I" saw it.
I know this doesn't make sense, but I see that it was seen, but maybe I don't believe it? I see the belief is a thought, and the thought is not real, so if the thought disappears then there is only seen not seeing. There needs to be more looking here.

Where is this one that could choose to ‘choose and decide OR just look how everything is getting done’?
Yes I see what you are saying here. Let me look again.
As I look, I do not see the chooser except in a thought. There is no "Choosing" that needs to be done. Things are done, and then the thought says what was done. I see the thought says what needs to happen, and another thought says another thing needs to happen, and then something just happens, and then the next thought says what just happened. I don't see the chooser or the decider, I don't even see the thought describing the event until after the event has taken place, then the thought describes what just happened.I see the chooser only in the thought, in the illusion.
Find this watcher. Please don’t just say that you believed the thoughts, but rather ACTIVELY SEARCH FOR this watcher of the movie.

WHERE is this watcher/watching?
Is it inside the head?
Behind the eyes maybe?

WHERE is the exact location where watching is happening FROM?
I don't know. I do not see a watcher anywhere.

Intellectually, I do not know where to go here. Last week when I was on vacation, I was looking and looking and looking and it seemed clear. Now I am back to a busy life and I am looking but not as many hours, and I seem to not be able to see as clear. I feel re-attached to the I more often. There say once you see you can't unsee, so I guess I didn't see, I don't know what I am missing. I am really looking, but where is looking happening?

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Re: Help Me Please!!

Postby Vivien » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:47 am

Hi Brenda,
I look and look and do not see anything that is "watching", just things happening.
This question keeps being asked, so I must be missing something. Is there another pointer to make this clearer? I see that there is no "I", and I see there is nobody that is missing something. Please help here.
The everyday belief is that there are:

- seer
- seeing
- seen

Or

- watcher
- watching
- watched

Or

- hearer
- hearing
- heard

Or

- feeler
- feeling
- felt

Please look very carefully with each examples.

How many are actually present? All three? Just two? Or one?
As I look, I see thoughts arise that tell stories of the future or the past, but they are not real they are just stories, and they disappear. I do not see the "I" that sees them, except in another thought that says "I" see them. It an illusion that the "I" is doing anything. It does not exist, it is not here.
As the arm moves, I see that "I" am not moving it, yet the arm moved, and then a thought arose saying my arm moved. I see in the content of the thought it says "my" arm, but only in the thought does this exist. I do not see ownership anywhere else. I see the thought is creating an illusion of the arm belonging to "me", but this is only in thought.
Please read your above comment thoroughly. You are repeatedly saying that “I see” or "I do not see".

Is there an ‘I’ or anything that sees?

It’s the same question as above:
Is there a SEER + SEEN?
V: You are talking as if still there were a ‘you’ which can look and see with new eyes. And this ‘you’ can see things without thought overlay.
Where is this ‘you’ that sees all of these and is unaffected by what is happening?
B: As I reread this statement, I see what you are questioning and I agree.
I see that it doesn't matter if I am looking or not looking, the "I" still does not exist.
Experience is happening without the "I" doing anything. The only "you" I see is in the content of thought, and I see this is not real. I see this is another illusion that separates the self.
So experience is happening without the ‘I’ doing anything.

But you say: “I see this is not real. I see this is another illusion…”

What is it that is seeing that it’s not real?
What is it that is seeing this as another illusion?

I see watching happening, when I look for the watcher, I see it does not exist, but yet sometimes I still think it is there. I see the watcher is just in the thought, and no where else. I cannot find a watcher,
I do not always see the difference between the watcher and the watching. Can you send a different pointer?
I highlighted where you make the claims that you see this or that.

In everyday language we say that there are 3 things:

1. a watcher (the subject of experience)
2. the watched (the experience itself)
3. watching, a verb, which is the ability of the watcher (1).

So 1 & 2 are linked by the 3. Watching is the ability of the watcher.

So if you talk about watching (verb) then there has to be a subject, a watcher, who is doing the watching.

But the question is:

Is there a watcher?
Is there the ability of watching?
Or there is only the watched?
I see watching happening
So HOW and WHERE is watching (as a verb, ability) is happening?
And what is the 'I' that sees watching happening?


I feel re-attached to the I more often
And WHAT is it EXACTLY that re-attached to the ‘I’?
WHERE is the one that is attaching to the ‘I’?

And what is it that FEELS re-attached?

There say once you see you can't unsee, so I guess I didn't see, I don't know what I am missing. I am really looking, but where is looking happening?
Just because it cannot be unseen, it doesn’t mean that there is no more identification.
But every time it’s looked at, it’s clear that there is nothing there.

Just because it isn’t seen 24/7 that the I is an illusion, does that change the fact that the self is just an illusion?

Is there an expectation to see this 24/7?


Vivien
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