I don't know

[Matthew]

a thought appear " it's windy ", but in direct experince it's only sensation, seeing movement and sound.

For example, yes!


As it became clear, there is no "I" in seeing.
There is also no "I" in hearing.
Why would a letter "I" be needed for seeing and hearing to happen in the first place?
That assumption is ridiculous, isn't it!?

Is there an "I" still assumed somewhere else?

[Iana]

Is there an "I" still assumed somewhere else?

No , but i think i replaced "I" with this body. The body is seeing, hearing, feeling

[Matthew]

You mean you feel like being inside a body separated from its surroundings?
Is that what you're saying?

[Iana]

Yes

[Matthew]

Okay let us appoach that!





What do you SEE here?
Only report about the raw seen without thought addition.

[Iana]

I don't know what i see, ignoring the thoughts i can't say what i see

[Matthew]

That's true.
Any "object" is just thought superimposing separateness upon raw, seamless experience.

Still, we need to work and communicate at this point.
When brought down to the most simple level, what can be seen is "The Seen".
What can be seen is "colour".
Are you comfortable with this term?

[Iana]

What can be seen is "colour".
Are you comfortable with this term?

Yes

[Matthew]

Now look at colour labelled "my arm".
Can you, same as with the apple, see it as being only colour at the most basic level?
It might take some time just gazing at it.

[Iana]

Now look at colour labelled "my arm".
Can you, same as with the apple, see it as being only colour at the most basic level?

Ok, yes

[Matthew]

Now hold your arm against the background.

How do you know that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

What tells that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

Does not all colour appear in the very same space?

Do you SEE any boundary amongst colour at all?

[Iana]

How do you know that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

No, i can't say that I'm this colour and not that colour

What tells that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

Nothing can tell me that I'm this colour and not that colour

Does not all colour appear in the very same space?

Yes, all the colour appear in the same space

Do you SEE any boundary amongst colour at all?

No boudry

[Matthew]

Where do you begin?
Where do you end?
Do you even begin and end somewhere in the classical sense?

Where is your body?
Do you even have a body in the classical sense?

[Iana]

Classical sense is direct experience?

[Matthew]

What it means:

Usually, in every day normal life. When someone asks: "Where is your body?" Then you point to colour labelled "my body".
But when looking at things as they are. When looking at actual present experience.

Where do you begin?
Where do you end?

Where is your body?