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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:41 am

Hi Lesa!

You have such a beautiful & truthful understandings in so many ways.
That realization is here for a few minutes, then the mind rushes back in again. I still get hung up over animals suffering, and wanting to guide my children in the right direction, etc. And though I went to sleep with these thoughts of freedom in my head, I had nightmares.
Keep LOOKING until you know the truth with certainty.

LOOK directly at your fears - about animals suffering, about your children, your nightmares.

Watch this one for the Deep Looking process:

http://markedeternal.blogspot.com/2013/ ... html?m=1

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:50 am

Hey there.
You have such a beautiful & truthful understandings in so many ways.
Thank you. Gives me hope.

I watched the Deep Looking video. Thank you. Good to have the instructions. I'll put that into my repertoire. I tried it again tonight and my mind was not at peace. The thought of too many responsibilities, and pain came up. I was able to stay with it, got the answer that what it wanted most was for life to be easy, but could not get the OK to relax. I thanked and adored it for trying to be the protector, visualized an open window to let the feelings out (and they appeared to be going), and even gave it the option of just relaxing 5-minutes, and it probably made it that long, then worries and other negative thoughts rushed back in. I'll keep trying and want to specifically try LOOKING at one of my fears--the animals thing is a biggie.

I had an interesting experience involving the body while doing that exercise. I have been in multiple accidents and have two herniated disks that cause me pretty much continual pain. The mind was concerned about the pain and I asked if there was anyone to whom the pain belonged. I LOOKED for someone, but couldn't find anyone. Then I LOOKED at the pain. It was there, then vanished, for a while at least. And even now, when I focus on it, it disappears. I obviously can't spend my day focusing on the pain, but found it interesting and will attempt it again.

Thanks, friend.
Lesa

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:43 pm

Hi Lesa!

Excellent use of Deep Looking! This is great!

Yes, do look at the suffering animals. I got through the suffering ones listening to Katie on the holocaust. Almost nothing sticks after that one. That can be found, but I can't use that tool here.

Yes, pain is content of thought. Sensation can be found and the label and resistance, etc. are content of thought.
I'll keep trying and want to specifically try LOOKING at one of my fears--the animals thing is a biggie.
I"ll be interested to read what happens when you do that. Remember, fear and expectations are the only things that can get in the way of seeing. When NOW is all there is, SEEING is inevitable.

Relaxing is essential. We can only relax NOW. We can't relax yesterday or in a few minutes. It's now or never! So is SEEING. It's now or never. :)

Loving!
~ Stacy

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:48 pm

Addendum about "now or never."

LOOK for any of the things you fear NOW.

As in: right now, is there a suffering animal in front of you? Even if there is, how do you know for certain what the experience is in the "mind" of the animal?

Right now, is there any responsibility that must be dealt with this very second?

Right now, in this tiny instant is there anything at all that is a problem? Anything?


Loving,

Oh, and that reminds me - another way to SEE - is there anyone seeing or anything being seen? Or is that just content of thought? What is truer anyone seeing/anything being seen or just "seeing happening?"

Let yourself notice all sense this way:

Just seeing?
Just hearing?
Just feeling/sensing?
Just smelling?
Just tasting?
Just thoughts arising?

Can you find any kind of subject or object of *any* of them? Or just the happening? Now . . . and now . . . and now.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:58 am

Hi Kid

Had a very long work day and expect to also tomorrow. Trying to get everything sewn up before I leave for Colorado on the 16th. I'm excited to try the things you've listed here and will, while I'm away. At the moment I'm super interested in "pain is content of thought" and the roles of labels and resistance. Wow! That's an amazing thing to consider. If I find that to be true, that will resolve a lot of my issues about animals suffering. The funny thing is, I haven't had much pain today at all, and I've worked for many more hours than I usually do.

I want to tell you about something that happened last night. Shortly after doing the Deep Listening exercise, I had this sudden, overwhelming feeling of terror. It slammed into me and took my breath away. I kept looking at it and it scared the hell out of me. It was about the emptiness of no one being there. I refused to let it go and kept looking at it. It remained frightening. But I did a 'Jane Fonda' and faced the fear. It was just a face off. Nothing seemed to resolve around it.

I was tired but I could hardly sleep because I started getting these wonderful inspirations about an art piece I've been thinking about for a long time, then another, and another. Wow! So exciting! And when I slept, I didn't have any nightmares, and I woke up remarkably cheerful and feeling exceptionally positive. I had a great day! And it was a very arduous, physically challenging day. It's like all the marbles have been disturbed and they're rolling around and who knows where they will come to rest.
Right now, is there any responsibility that must be dealt with this very second?
No
Right now, in this tiny instant is there anything at all that is a problem? Anything?
No
Oh, and that reminds me - another way to SEE - is there anyone seeing or anything being seen? Or is that just content of thought? What is truer anyone seeing/anything being seen or just "seeing happening?"
There is just seeing happening. It takes a minute to recognize, it's like my mind keeps jumping back and forth, but I can definitely find just 'seeing happening'.
Let yourself notice all sense this way:
Just seeing?
Just hearing?
Just feeling/sensing?
Just smelling?
Just tasting?
Just thoughts arising?
Yes, just the senses happening. It's funny how much more direct/immediate it is.
Can you find any kind of subject or object of *any* of them? Or just the happening? Now . . . and now . . . and now.
Just the happenings. Must LOOK to see this...mind jumping back and forth

Good night, friend.
Lesa

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:41 pm

Good morning! I am texting at a stoplight on my way to work, but you just said you're coming to Colorado. Will you be anywhere near Longmont or Boulder? That's where I live. If you have the time it would be cool to meet face-to-face, if you would like.

Also, as interesting and fun as these positive seeming and negative seeming happenings are, they, too, are still content of thought. The whole drama is a lot of fun , isn't it?

Loving
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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:40 pm

Stacy

I'm going to Rocky Mountain NP. I think I could possibly get over your way. FYI--I'll be in my camper and have a big dog with me. Why don't you let me know how to contact you and what your general schedule is, and we'll give it a try! That would be fun. :)
Also, as interesting and fun as these positive seeming and negative seeming happenings are, they, too, are still content of thought. The whole drama is a lot of fun , isn't it?
I realize this, but it really is such interesting content! Hahahaha!

Love,
Lesa

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:22 am

Hi Lesa,

I work in Boulder, Monday through Friday 7:00 a.m. to 4 or 5:00 p.m.. Off on weekends.

I have a cat & a boyfriend, so meeting at my place would not be a good idea. Maybe a coffee shop in Longmont or Lyons. Or I could come up there.

I'll PM my cell. Look at the top You have plenty to do, so I'm not adding any exercises or anything right now. Keep looking!

If we get together, we could practice.

If we don't, that's OK. You will be so close only about an hour away.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:26 am

Sounds good! I should be in your area Saturday afternoon, I'm guessing. I'll keep you posted via text. What does PM mean?

Lesa

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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:21 am

Got it! Private message :)~

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:49 pm

Good morning!

Tell me what has been going on since we met in person and did some looking.

Loving!
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:00 am

Hi Kid!
Tell me what has been going on since we met in person and did some looking.
Holy cow! I've invented a new word "claughing" crying-laughing at the same time. Hahahaha! Overflowing with joy! Lots and "nothing" going on. I'm just astonished at how amazing life is when you realize that none of it is really happening as we think. For instance, it appears that there's a person, Lesa, who has a life, which appears to go along with lots of cause and effect, events, memories, and imaginations about the future, and all the while there is nothing happening to no one, and it's all being done by nothing! Hahaha!

It's so obvious that our whole lives are just conceptualized events and stories that never really happen. It's so darned hard to explain using words, because they are just "concepts". Life is so "ALIVE" and immediate, and concepts just make it dead.

All those "sayings" I've heard "masters" state, suddenly make sense! (the fish in the ocean, searching for water; Katie laughing and saying, "you all know what's really going on, but you're pretending you don't; Tony Parsons saying, "this is all there is" and "it's just life--walling-flooring-chairing"). Verbing! Life is verbing. Amazing, awesome verbing!

It's RIGHT HERE, NOW, there's nothing else, no WHEN else, and we constantly miss/ignore it.

The really interesting thing is, it makes the "story" (that could be so miserable before) so incredibly interesting! Nobody is doing it. It's just happening, now, and now, and now...Amazing!!

Loving!

Lesa

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:05 pm

Good morning!

I love that "claughing." Beautiful. You sound so free & so clear.

Would you like to answer final questions?

If so. here they are. Please be sure to answer all parts of Question 5.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience. (Be sure to answer every part of this.)

6) Anything to add?


Loving!
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: I want to know

Postby LesaD » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:48 am

Hi Stacy!
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No. No, there never was.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
It appears to be a function of the brain/mind that begins working when we are very young, maybe less than 2 years old. It seems to be the result of a “program” that is designed to protect the body/mind and assist with decision-making, learning, etc. (here in the ‘game’ as I call it, or the ‘appearance’). It is a useful tool, but somehow, at least here, it had become the ‘main event’. It is so busy utilizing memories (if in fact there is such a thing) and projecting illusions of the future, that there’s little attention paid to being ‘alive’ here and now. It naturally “conceptualizes” experiences and thereby brings them down to mere bits of information. These events are then experienced as ‘dead’ but it becomes so habitual to see life that way, and be so constantly trying to stay ahead of things, that we don’t notice what’s happening. And, everyone else is doing it too, so it seems appropriate. Being caught up in the 'game/appearance' is the norm.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Well, at the risk of sounding like a cliché, it feels liberating! The difference is that things are very relaxed and have a natural, easy flow to them. Even difficult situations are much easier. The mind still steps in and wants to make drama out of everything, and brings fear to the forefront, but that is getting much easier to ignore. There’s an underlying sense of security, and people, who normally would have pressed my buttons, look so innocent now. Everyone’s playing the game, but only a few people know it’s a game and understand how things work. Nothing has changed in the world, but everything is different. It’s hard to take things that would have been important and threatening, in the past, seriously. After years of reading and studying non-duality, there is a lot of information that is suddenly available and makes sense. That might have made this easier, in some way. The data was there, just no instructions for making use of it. Now no instructions are needed. The perspective on life has radically changed. There is a lot of laughter and joy, for no apparent reason. Watching life happen is mostly fun and interesting now.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Two things pushed me over, though I had been LOOKING/SEEING off and on for a week or so—1) working with my guide on my big hook—“animals are suffering at the hands of people, and I am one of those people”. My guide had led me to the point of actually experiencing the nothingness, through the LU exercises. I understood that ‘conceptualizing’ was the big problem. We met in person, and she helped me break down my thoughts and concepts about animals suffering. Then later that day 2) I did an exercise from a book called “What Am I“ by Galen Sharp that required looking at what was in front of me without using any memory, or imagination about the future. I was looking at my dog by a campfire and I suddenly realized that all I knew for sure what that there were a bunch of colors, all changing shapes, a number of different sounds, smells, sensations, but no concepts! Dog, campfire, ground, forest were all labels or concepts that I'd been applying. I started laughing and laughed half the night (glad I was in my camper).

5)
Describe decision
Decisions 'appear' to be made by the brain/mind, but certainly not by a fictional character—me. I have all kinds of theories about what they’re based on, but no evidence of anything but that they happen. That’s enough.
intention
Intention isn’t something I’ve thought about much, but I suspect that it’s, again, based on what the brain/mind has decided is in the best interest of the character, and I believe is also often “inspired” by “life”.
free will
Free will, hmmm, no evidence that there’s anyone who has a will, but there is a sense of freedom. I have always equated ‘free will' with an individual’s ability to choose for him or herself, and thereby direct their future. I no longer see an individual anywhere, so this idea just falls apart. Since there is no free will, there is also no responsibility for anything. Used to think that would feel powerless, but oddly enough, it doesn’t, it feels 'free'!
choice and control
Choices happen, but nothing makes them, unless it’s the brain/mind in the appearance (which there’s no concrete evidence is actually happening or actually a thing). Control—can’t find anyone who has any control of anything. Not sure there even is such a thing. Things seem to just happen.
What makes things happen?
Don’t know.
How does it work?
Don’t know.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Again, because there’s no free will or choice-making, and there's no individual, there’s no responsibility for anything.
6) Anything to add?
I’m helping my husband with this, and enjoying the process. I wonder if there are more resources that I might access both for my husband and myself. Haha! It’s so funny to use personal pronouns!

I’ve enjoyed this process immensely and am eternally grateful to those who started this and those who continue to help people 'see the light’. (I guess "those" are just "life" masquerading as individuals!) In one way it seems like a miracle that anyone does 'see the light', because the habits and conditioning are so entrenched in everyday, human life. In another way, it's the most natural thing in the world, and kind of funny that sight of what's really happening, is ever lost.

With deep gratitude, Lesa (apparently!)

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Re: I want to know

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:53 pm

Gooood morning!

Beautiful answers. You sound "cooked." Lovely, lovely!

Let's look at that memory idea. And then we'll take a look at the ideas that some brain/mind does anything.

Memory Exercise

Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened. That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.

Please don’t go to thought explanations, but just let a memory be there, and look at it.

Look at what is actually going on and not what thoughts say - but what actually is.

What is memory exactly?

What is the memory ‘made of’?

WHEN does the memory appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Then, look at a thought about the future.

What is the future thought ‘made of’?

WHEN does the future thought appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.

What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?

If there is difference and how is that difference is known exactly?


And this brain/mind thingy that did some things you mentioned.

Can you point to it? See it. hear it, feel it, touch or taste it? WHERE is it? Or might it be like "self" only a story, content of thought?

Loving!
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti


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