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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:08 pm

The object seen in the mirror is simply an object in the mirror being experienced.


Thanks! Could you describe that "object" in the mirror, without just saying it's an object, or an experience?
What is this "object" in the mirror? Would you elaborate?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:52 pm

Could you describe that "object" in the mirror, without just saying it's an object, or an experience?
What is this "object" in the mirror? Would you elaborate?
It's a human form, man and an Asian. It's an image. The image is not the object, it is just the reflection of assumed object; it's assumed because there is no way to verify.

If I have to describe it further, there is a feeling/thought saying it's always little unfamiliar with the image. In memory, the image in the mirror always been little awkward when thinking "it's me" occurs and there has NOT been firm feeling "it's me, myself" for many years. This is just memory recalled.

I'm not sure what to describe further. If this is not enough, please let me know how to describe it.

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 am

Thanks again, SkyKim. :)

Not relying on thoughts, memories or imagination, how would you
describe the object in the mirror, without using the words "object" or "Experience" with a capital E?

Could you describe it in a more plain, worldly way?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:01 am

Could you describe it in a more plain, worldly way?
Although I'm still not sure what exactly "more plain, worldly way" way means, let me try again with my best!
Please be patient :)

It's a man who stands and moves with eyes open. It has black hairs and with touch of white colors little bit. His chest moves as breathing. Eyes blink through glasses. There is a nose and curry ears. A mouth is closed. He wears a white t-shirts with a print on.

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:05 am

He wears a white t-shirts with a print on.


What or who is "he" in the above sentence? What is it that differentiates this "he"
from other "objects" that are reflected in the mirror?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:20 pm

What or who is "he" in the above sentence?
He is a person named "Sky".
What is it that differentiates this "he" from other "objects" that are reflected in the mirror?
When another person stands there, the key difference is that I can see their eyes in the mirror and outside of the mirror at the same time while Sky's eyes only available from mirror.

Also, when I touch the objects in the mirror, I see the touching sense on hand and touching image in mirror. For Sky, there is additional sense on face being touched.

These are the key and only differences I can find.

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Tue May 01, 2018 8:27 am

He is a person named "Sky".


Without the label “Sky” or “person,” what is “He”?


When another person stands there, the key difference is that I can see their eyes in the mirror and outside of the mirror at the same time while Sky's eyes only available from mirror.


Where are the “Sky’s eyes” right now?
Are they owned by Sky?


Also, when I touch the objects in the mirror, I see the touching sense on hand and touching image in mirror. For Sky, there is additional sense on face being touched.


Please touch your face now. Is it a face?
Is that face yours?


Also, who is feeling that sense of touch?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Tue May 01, 2018 5:37 pm

Without the label “Sky” or “person,” what is “He”?
"He" only exists in a thought, or called label. Without the label, there is no ground "He" can stand.
Where are the “Sky’s eyes” right now?
In my memory as a thought. That's it.
Are they owned by Sky?
"Ownership" does NOT exist. It's illusion. I said it's Sky's eye as communication tool to differentiate the eye on the face from the eyes on another face and the towel in the mirror image. However, if you ask whether it's owned by Sky, I cannot say yes or no. Because the question bases on the assumption that there is ownership, which I'm clear that "ownership" does not exist and there is no "Sky" that can own anything.
Please touch your face now. Is it a face?
Yes, it's a face because there is a thought saying it's face.
Is that face yours?
My answer is same as the one for "Are they owned by Sky". There is no ownership and there is no "me" that can own anything.
Also, who is feeling that sense of touch?
There is no one who feels. Rather, there is a thought saying "there is Sky who feels the touch" or "I feel the touch". "There is one who feel the touch" is part of the experience (as a thought), rather than there is one who feel or experience or thought.

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Wed May 02, 2018 10:12 am

"He" only exists in a thought, or called label. Without the label, there is no ground "He" can stand.


Without using the label “he,” could you tell what is reflected in the mirror?


Yes, it's a face because there is a thought saying it's face.


If there is no thought about it, what is it?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Wed May 02, 2018 4:24 pm

Without using the label “he,” could you tell what is reflected in the mirror?
Nothing.
If there is no thought about it, what is it?
Nothing.

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Wed May 02, 2018 9:45 pm

What do you mean by nothing?
Would you elaborate?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Wed May 02, 2018 10:06 pm

What do you mean by nothing?
Would you elaborate?
That exists in Experience as thought. So, there is nothing to talk about or point to without using the label "he" or thought.
There is nothing further I can elaborate.

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Wed May 02, 2018 10:18 pm

Again, could you say something about what is reflected in the mirror?

According to your experiential understanding of reality, how would you
convey that to, say, a 5-year-old child?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby Bananafish » Wed May 02, 2018 10:21 pm

Oh, and also, could you say something about what you call "Experience"?

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Re: Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

Postby SkyKim » Thu May 03, 2018 1:09 am

Again, could you say something about what is reflected in the mirror?
I see myself and try to remove a white hair. I see white hairs in the mirror and try to remove one. Somehow it's so hard to grab one because the direction is 180 degree different and it seems my brain is not used to move like that. Hard, but slowly pulled the hair successfully. There is smiled face looking down the hair on the hand.
According to your experiential understanding of reality, how would you convey that to, say, a 5-year-old child?
Actually I have 5 years old child, so I'm so familiar. First of all, there is nothing to discuss with the child.
"Be careful with knife! You will get hurt." or "If you get hurt, there will be pain." This is reality.

One time, she asked me. "The mirror is so strange. It's not live one, but it moves. Why is that?" I said "Wow, that's a very interesting question. I don't know. If you find out later, please let me know." And I just added "Please keep your question." But, later they don't even remember if they asked and not interested in it anymore." Me too.
Oh, and also, could you say something about what you call "Experience"?
With conversation with the previous guide Mathew, the term came up to point what actually is here and now including everything.
It's just a term that is used to point to what is here and now. It's not "experience", but "Experience" with capital E, because it's NOT that someone experience something. Just "Experiencing" that IS. All language and term is limited. But, we have to talk, then we need to use the term to point to something that can not be expressed with language.

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