Falling into

[Matthew]

What we are saying is that the me or I that I think I am is just another thought?

You tell me!
How is it experienced?
Look at the entirety of actual experience. What else could it be?


So what is really going on here.
Is there really a one on a path to realise its own non-existence?
Is there truly a one in a process to realise something?

Or is ALL OF THAT just a gigantic and thrilling thought dream?
Has all of that EVER been nothing but a thought story about a non-existent person?

It's just that I've not been able to see it yet clearly.

See what cleary?
The absence of a separate self?
Have a look around!
Can a self be found?
Cannot most clearly be seen, that there is no self to be found?

[Cloudberry]

Seems there is this thinking process that fires up, during the waking up process each morning. You know as you become aware of where you are and what day it is and all that stuff. As all those thoughts start spinning up, it's like a diesel generator starting up. This then runs in the background all day and latches on to everything that happens and creates a big old unfolding story. About me.

It's more subtle than other thoughts. It's kind of hidden away where you can't see it easily but if you look really look and keep looking you see it. Narrating everything.

[Cloudberry]

Clearly seen this morning "I" owning experience. While washing and shaving there was the experience of a tired and aching body and a stretch and groan and the "I" thought arising and building a story around "MY" tired body.

Not mine at all. Just a tired, stiff, aching body in the morning.

It was clearly seen how the "I" thought owns experiences and spins stories about it.

This had not been seen so clearly before.

There has been some frustration over the last couple of days at not being able to see "I" for what it isn't. This sentence is a minefield as it refers to an "I" being frustrated at not being able to see through the "I"

So the update this morning from this corner of the world is that a seeing the "I" process happening has occured.

Not that it has stopped but there was a seeing through it. Looking continues

Thanks

Rob

[Matthew]

Very nice!!

This then runs in the background all day and latches on to everything that happens and creates a big old unfolding story. About me.

Yes, of course this happens.
But is it more than a story?
Was it ever more than a story?

The story is about "me".
But does this "me" exist outside of the thought dream?
Does this "me" exist in reality?

the "I" process happening has occured.

Not that it has stopped but there was a seeing through it

Does it have to stop?
Does it, now as it was seen to be just an empty story?

[Cloudberry]

But is it more than a story?
Was it ever more than a story?

You are looking for a definite answer here and even though the sense or feeling of "me-ness" is strong, there is no me there that exists as a separate entity, that is running the show. There is just a thought that grabs and latches onto experience and takes ownership and says this is mine, I did that, I want that, don't want that etc. It can feel like it is separate but it isn't. It's just another mental event or process.

But does this "me" exist outside of the thought dream?
Does this "me" exist in reality?

No it doesn't. There is body, mind, events unfolding, life happening. What also happens is this process takes ownership and over time feels like an entity but there is nothing there. There is just this and what's happening right now. This me does not exist outside of a thought dream

Does it have to stop?
Does it, now as it was seen to be just an empty story?

I had an expectation that it would stop and how lovely that would be but it's ok if it doesn't. There just needs to be vigilance to keep looking and seeing what is happening and not believing in the thought dreams.

[Matthew]

I had an expectation that it would stop

So there are many different dream characters appearing in This.
Thought about many different dream characters.

Thought about a dream character called "friend".
Thought about a dream character called "colleague".
Thought about a dream character called "family member".
And there is of course thought about a dream character called "me".

I had an expectation that it would stop

Would you wish for thoughts about "friend" or "family member" to stop?
Of course not. You're just okay with their arisal. Their arisal just happens.
Why would you expect thoughts about the character "me" to stop?

Is there anything "bad" about me-thoughts?

Is there anything special about the character "me" compared with other thought characters?

[Cloudberry]

Is there anything "bad" about me-thoughts?

Is there anything special about the character "me" compared with other thought characters?

Well, it's a bit more compelling. You could say it's in every scene and is the main character.

However. No difference really. Just a character.

There was two ways to answer this question. One from the identification with the me thought. The other, well, just from here.

The only thing bad about me thoughts is there ability to sneek up and take over.

[Matthew]

Good observations!

The only thing bad about me thoughts is there ability to sneek up and take over.

Is there something outside of the story being taken over?
Or isn't the idea of a thing being taken over just another chapter in the story?

What exactly is taken over?
How is it experienced?

Does it exist in reality?
Or is it just another thought?

[Cloudberry]

Is there something outside of the story being taken over?

What exactly is taken over?

Fu** !!! It's just another me thought !!

There's the lost in story of "me" and then there's periods of not being lost in me but now it seems that the not being lost in me is just another story about not being lost in "me"

Me thoughts sneek up and take over what? Just another story. Something is happening and there is a feeling of discovering something. It's like understanding a riddle and you know you are close but the penny hasn't dropped yet.

The last questions need some looking

You are amazing

[Matthew]

The last questions need some looking

Simply look at this little word, this little thought.

Say it loudly a few times or just as a thought until it is right there.

"I", "I", "I", "I", ....
or
"me", "me", "me", "me", ....


When it is right there, observe and question.
Look really close.
Also look "behind" it.

Is there an actual entity inside this thought?
Is there an actual entity behind this thought?

Or is it always just this little thought appearing alongside experience?

[Cloudberry]

This is an interesting inquiry.

Me definitely feels like the right word.
I doesn't connect me to the essence.

Me feels like "me"

It's this in which I'm looking into.

[Matthew]

Ok!

Report what comes up when looking at "me".
Looking forward to that!

[Cloudberry]

Very interesting.

"Me" seems to be

A place where thought lives. Although cannot be pinned down to a specific location in the body. Just an owning of the body as where "me" lives.

A thought driven sense of an entity

A believed in concept kept alive by thought.


A story

Looking to see what is believing in the story. Expecting to find thoughts. Now thoughts about how to get out of the loop of thinking me into existence.

[Matthew]

Wow, "me" seems to be a lot of things..

But is "me" not just "me"?

Can "me" ever be anything else than "me"?
Can "me" do anything else than to appear as the thought "me"?
Can "me" become anything else than the thought "me"?

Look at this word in isolation. Look at these innocent little two letters.
Is there anything special about them?

[Cloudberry]

Can "me" become anything else than the thought "me"?

No, I guess not.

Look at this word in isolation. Look at these innocent little two letters.
Is there anything special about them?

No, they are just two letters, a label.

If not given meaning they are harmless letters.