seeing not just intellectualizing

[tissetatten]

Hello Vince.

I respect ur honesty.

And i agree that, that is how 99% of ppl would react to a thing like this.

But he has had this as a mission or goal ever since he started in this path that when it hapened he is going to record it.

Before douring and after so others can perhaps learn something.


The devil thing i think he just means the mind.

Most seekers go through a long period of introspection and investigation and so come to the point of awakening more gradually.

Well this what he has been doing for years now. Introspecting, meditating, reading, deconstructing.


Well maybe more will happen now that hes of camera in the way that u said.

Thank for ur reply.

I had a really tough day yesterday, i was really depressed and my stomach was in a lot of pain.
I spent most of the day like this amd then i made up a plan or story or perspective that was more to my liking and i calmed down..
I have come to the conclusion that my minds is crazy.
And the things it comes up with are unfounded. There not real. Theres a lot of what ifs in my head, that eventually lead to doom. With the same mechanism i can scare myself to deth and stress my self up or i can calm my self down with another story.. The whole thing is mad. It cannot be trusted.

It feels like a crazy person screaming random crazy thoughts and ideas in my head. I wonder if i can just treat it as such? Just say thank u for ur input or consern and then just ignore it. Does that work? Ill give it a try.. See what happens..


/T

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

I spent most of the day like this and then i made up a plan or story or perspective that was more to my liking and i calmed down..

So at some point you saw the story that was giving you curry ? ..and to see that it's just a story and to substitute it with a better story is an excellent strategy.

I have come to the conclusion that my minds is crazy.

This is the kind of crazy that is good.

And the things it comes up with are unfounded. There not real

which is the case for absolutely everybody. Except that you're just crazy enough to see it, whereas most of the world take what their mind comes up with very seriously.

The whole thing is mad. It cannot be trusted.

Absolutely. Row row row your boat. Life is but a dream. Literally.
To walk through the world with the only certainty being that nothing can be known, is to see everything with fresh eyes. Like a baby. Wonderfull.

ust say thank u for ur input or consern and then just ignore it. Does that work?

Yes, that works.
Nobody can banish thoughts. It is the nature of the brain to produce them. They can however, be relegated to a back seat.
let them flow through without letting them hook you.
Any useful thoughts (maybe 1% of the flow) will get your attention. The rest are rubbish.


love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hi

Row row row your boat. Life is but a dream. Literally.

Had my first piano lesson yesterday that song was there.. Made me happy

I have a cold coming in from all the stress i guess. The cold winter, courtcase against my old job, a lot to study, insomnia, my crazy mind, fastfood.

=/

<3 T

[vinceschubert]

Hi T,

I have a cold coming in from all the stress i guess.

So maybe the cold is saying "I'm going to make you have a break, if you won't do it yourself" ?

Had my first piano lesson yesterday that song was there.. Made me happy

Good stuff. The start of something new ?
Keep looking at the shark pic.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hey


Yeah the piano is new. I am taking a break this weekend and ill keep looking at the shark. Have a nice weekend


/T

[vinceschubert]

<3

[tissetatten]

Hello..

So i got an email today.
I have a relative in germany. Hes a lot older then i am and iv never met him. But he sings opera and i did too and no one els in my family does or has any interest in that at all.
Anyway, i dont know him iv had him on facebook for years now and wev never talked. Today he just sent me a video of some german art project. I just replyed that i didnt care to much ablout it it seemed to brain wash the kids to think conform to sociaty. And he wrote thats not what its about its about how precious life is and how short it is and we gor into a discussion about deth and time. And he asked if i knew who krishnamurti was, and I was shocked. Somone in my family is into this stuff. Wow.
And he told me that he was suicidal and that something had come and intervined somehow. And he felt such love and joy instead, but lost all his normal interests.(and hos mind) And then he sayd ego cannot kill ego and something from the outside has to deliver your heart or els the soul just goes around and around. Those who sinserly want to see will see and others are just content with there misserable life.

I dont know what to make if all this. I guess i shouldnt make anything of it but still. Tony person says we cannot do anything to find the truth if we get there its by grace.

Any thoughts?

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

he asked if i knew who krishnamurti was,

Was it Jiddu or UG he was asking about ?
i read lots of Jiddu Krishnamurti when i was searching but always found him convoluted - until i woke up. Then he made sense.

Somone in my family is into this stuff. Wow.

Would you call it serendipity ? (i would)

he said ego cannot kill ego

i know what he meant, but that is pop zen shit again. We aren't trying to kill ego here.
Tame it yes. You'd be in trouble without it. It's a necessary tool.

something from the outside has to deliver your heart or els the soul just goes around and around.

Hahaha... (rubbish)

Those who sincerely want to see will see

Yes. If they burn for it.

find the truth

He was using common language. The truth is that there is no such thing as truth. (there is only what is true for you)

if we get there its by grace.

Hmmm. That's kinda right. Grace isn't a thing either. My story is that we will get there if all of the necessary conditions align. (i s'pose you could call that grace)
Please comment on my comments. (let's investigate them if you are unclear on any of them)

love

vince

[tissetatten]

He was in a bit of a hurry. But he sayd hed write me what "happened" to him if im interested.

He also sent me this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-p4oWJcZX8o

he asked if i knew who krishnamurti was,
Was it Jiddu or UG he was asking about ?

Good question i just assumed jiddu because i dont really know the other one. But ill ask.

Would you call it serendipity ?

(Serendipity= finding something good without looking for it?)

well i guess its a good thing, well have to wait and see.

[i know what he meant, but that is pop zen shit again. We aren't trying to kill ego here.
Tame it yes. You'd be in trouble without it. It's a necessary tool./quote]

Well im greek and in the greek language the word ego means I. we use it everyday naturaly. to say: I want something forinstans is "ego thelo"
Im hungry "ego pinao" and so on u get it.
So maybe hes refering to the I thought, and saying u cannot think ur way out if it?

something from the outside has to deliver your heart or els the soul just goes around and around.
Hahaha... (rubbish)

Well iv never incouterd anything supernatural alien or angels, maybe demonic though not sure.
But u dont belive theres anything els outher then human and animal? Im not sure, there could be stuff we cant sence with our sences i guess. But what he is saying i think is he didnt do it what ever it was that happened for him to give him release and love.

Those who sincerely want to see will see
Yes. If they burn for it.

Burn, do u mean sincer and emence desire for it or burn as in burn them selfs like inner work?

He was using common language. The truth is that there is no such thing as truth. (there is only what is true for you)

Yeah se said that to.
And i get that, to some extent but think it could be clearer.

Hmmm. That's kinda right. Grace isn't a thing either. My story is that we will get there if all of the necessary conditions align. (i s'pose you could call that grace)
Please comment on my comments. (let's investigate them if you are unclear on any of them)

im not shure what he means, he might refer to god if hes kristian like most of my family. But as i said i dont know him.
As for me I never feel alone, i always feel like something is there with me, listens, watches, guids, iv never ever felt alone not for 1 sec in the life that i can remember.

<3 T

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

He also sent me this video

..interesting. What did you make of it ?

he sayd hed write me what "happened" to him if im interested.

Are you curious ? (i am)

So maybe hes refering to the I thought, and saying u cannot think ur way out if it?

Ok, i was referring to ego more as Freudian.
On one hand, he is right. Getting mind to defeat mind is an impossibility.
On the other hand, using mind to trigger realizations that are 'deeper' than mind, is what we are doing.
When you have an epiphany (an Aha!) it is much more than mind that is affected.

there could be stuff we cant sence with our sences i guess.

Oh certainly. There is infinite 'stuff' that we don't encounter with senses. We make up stories about them all of the time. Now, this is a big one.... it allows questions that don't have (or need) answers.
We just accept that they are part of a great mystery.
No need for explanation or description. Surrender to the unknown, is a state of grace. (there's that word again)

what he is saying i think is he didnt do it what ever it was that happened for him to give him release and love.

Excellently said. If we could DO something to get enlightened, then everybody would be doing it.
The best that can happen, is that the intention arises and then seeking continues until the necessary conditions occur. (and they are different for everybody)

Burn, do u mean sincere and intense desire for it

Yes. An intensity so hot that you can hear it sizzling.

i get that, to some extent but think it could be clearer. (Truth)

Here is my investigation into truth before waking up; http://vince-wisingup.blogspot.com.au/search?q=truth

i always feel like something is there with me, listens, watches, guids, iv never ever felt alone not for 1 sec in the life that i can remember.

A wonderful part of that great mystery.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hello vince. Thank you for sending me your investigation. See that you to liked byron katies method. Im i allowed to dont the work while we do this?
Anyway was an interesting read and ill have to re read it..
Dont know what to say about it ath the present moment.

..interesting. What did you make of it ?

Well the video seemed very depressing to me. Somone looking and walking a never endig path. Leading to nowhere. And when he dies he just becomes another step in that path. Like there really is nothing to find, no where to go, its all made up of us. It doesnt stop untill we tire and give up.

Are you curious ? (i am)

Yes i am..

Now, this is a big one.... it allows questions that don't have (or need) answers.
We just accept that they are part of a great mystery.
No need for explanation or description. Surrender to the unknown,

For some reason i dont like this. I like to think that perhaps when i die or some other way im going to find out if ghosts and angels and aliens exist. I lile to think that there will come a time where im shown the things i dont know now. I guess i do belive these things exist even though i have no proof, i cant just shake this belife and say i dont have it anymore. Same with the feeling im not alone and that there is a "god/force or something that listens" and knows me better then i know myself that i cannot decive.

/T

[vinceschubert]

G'day T,

Like there really is nothing to find, no where to go, its all made up of us.

What you say is (accidental ?) brilliance. This is exactly so.
To get to where you want to be (awake), you need to stop and realize that you are already there. ...and have always been. (don't try and make sense of this. It is beyond the ability of the mind to comprehend - when you are there, it will be know by experiencing.)

And when he dies he just becomes another step in that path.

Did he die ? ..or let go, with the realization that he is all and all is he ? Was it a 'state' of one-ness when he merged with the ALL ?

For some reason i dont like this. I like to think that perhaps when i die or some other way im going to find out if ghosts and angels and aliens exist. I lile to think that there will come a time where im shown the things i dont know now. I guess i do belive these things exist even though i have no proof, i cant just shake this belife and say i dont have it anymore. Same with the feeling im not alone and that there is a "god/force or something that listens" and knows me better then i know myself that i cannot decive.

..as i said. This is a big one. A (potential) portal.
i too have a story about some innate intelligence of ALL THAT IS.
..and another about alien life. (i can't imagine for a moment that we are the only planet with evolved life)
i also recognize them as stories.
Stories that makes me feel good.
Here's the thing. Being awake is really just realizing what is actual (and what is mind stuff)
It is taking mind stuff as actual, that sources suffering (and all of the other ills of the world)
We don't need to let go of our beliefs, just realize that they are not actual (their content, that is)
Another benefit of seeing stories for what they are, is that it leaves us open to upgrade them when more information arrives.
This is good scientific practice. (stories are a hypothesis)

love

vince
With the shark... try squinting a little.
..and allow the dots in the pic to go out of focus a little. (particularly the top half of the pic.)
It is 3d, so the shark will appear in front of a background that looks similar to what you see normally in the pic.

[tissetatten]

Mornin'

Did he die ? ..or let go, with the realization that he is all and all is he ? Was it a 'state' of one-ness when he merged with the ALL ?

Well to me it looked like he died, he stoped being a person and became a inanimate object. But i like ur way better then its much less sad.
We are all made of the same stuff. Humans, animals, things, we all are made of natural materials. Wed die without food, water, air, and so would aninals and there would be no plastic, no clothes, no machines, gadgets what evers without natural materials gas, oil, coal, minerals and plants. That is the only oneness i see.

recognize them as stories.
Stories that makes me feel good.
Here's the thing. Being awake is really just realizing what is actual (and what is mind stuff)
It is taking mind stuff as actual, that sources suffering (and all of the other ills of the world)
We don't need to let go of our beliefs, just realize that they are not actual (their content, that is)
Another benefit of seeing stories for what they are, is that it leaves us open to upgrade them when more information arrives.
This is good scientific practice. (stories are a hypothesis)

I totaly agree with this part and i will try (i know i know there is no try) to keep this in mind more.



/T

[tissetatten]

Hello..

Have a lot to study these days and seminars and lectures to go to.

I find myself listening to ppl and have nothing to say.
Or being completly honest and saing i find it unimportant and uninteresting, let ppl do and think as they please why do you care so much?
Im so tired of listening to ppl. You know the saing opinions are like asholes everyone's got one?
It never felt more true then right now.

/T

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

I find myself listening to ppl and have nothing to say.

Are you saying something in your thoughts ?

Or being completly honest and saing i find it unimportant and uninteresting,

When this is said out loud, it is also saying something about what you think of the other person.
What might that be ?

Im so tired of listening to ppl

You are taking the content of what they say as the whole of what they are saying.
If you hear what their communication beneath the words is, you may have a different response. (or not)
..but then, you don't need to engage with others on a superficial level.
If you are open to it, you will find a person that, like yourself, is more interested in deeper stuff. You have to be sensitive as they may be hiding behind stupid words too. The pull to conform is very strong for most people.

love

vince