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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:54 am

Hi, Arcturus,
No, the label itself will occur and disappear.
Brilliant!
Thought is doing choices (sometimes emotion do). There may be a label of "I" attached to that thought or emotion, but it is just label.
Great that you see there's no I attached. Ok. How about this --notice as you go through your day that you may have a thought or many thoughts about some action yet you are already doing something contrary to that or even after the thoughts. Look at the possibility that nothing is choosing at all. Thoughts happen. Actions happen. Tell me what you discover as you continue to investigate this.
Today, I had to decide an important thing on business.
And I looked that the thought deciding by own logic without "I".
Nice job! The thoughts do arise on their own. But do they do any actual deciding? Look really closely at how this all happens.

Have fun with this piece!

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:58 am

Hi, Arcturus,
No, the label itself will occur and disappear.
Brilliant!
Thought is doing choices (sometimes emotion do).
Ok. How about this --notice as you go through your day that you may have a thought or many thoughts about some action yet you are already doing something contrary to that or even after the thoughts. Or the action began before the thought. It's just like the exercise where you raised and lowered your arm. Look at the possibility that nothing is "choosing" at all. Thoughts happen. Actions happen. Tell me what you discover as you continue to investigate this.
Today, I had to decide an important thing on business.
And I looked that the thought deciding by own logic without "I".
Nice job! The thoughts do arise on their own. But do they do any actual deciding?

Have fun with this piece!

Love,

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:11 am

Dear Robyn

Or the action began before the thought.

In most cases, actions just happened.
Sometimes, It seemed to me that thought caused some actions, in some of them, thought was happened after the action.

Look at the possibility that nothing is "choosing" at all.



In many cases, choices does not happen. Actions just happens.
It's like just watching the automated cars move.

The thoughts do arise on their own.
But do they do any actual deciding?



Sometimes, choices were there.

It seemed like thought was making those choices.

For example, yesterday I went to a supermarket for shopping.
Before leaving home, I created a list of things to buy, at that time, I remembered things to buy, and THOUGHT chose what I should buy, and decided.

--At least it seemed to me that.


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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:53 am

Arcturus,

You're doing great.
Sometimes, It seemed to me that thought caused some actions, in some of them, thought was happened after the action.
Can you describe exactly what you mean that thought caused some actions? Are you thinking that when there is a thought to take some action, that means the thought is causing the action?

Then is there some time other than now, the present?

Keep looking at this; see what is really happening that you call choosing. For example, does a thought arise like, "I'm going to go eat," yet that's not what happens?

Let me know what you see.

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:38 am

Dear Robyn
Keep looking at this; see what is really happening that you call choosing.

It seems to me that situations, thoughts, actions are related.
However, in fact, it seems to me that there is not causal relationship.
Those situations just exists, thoughts just happens, actions just happens.

Thought plans, but I do not know until that time whether or not the action as expected will occur.

So, is thought affecting action? -- I did not know well.
However, it is certain that the thought do not action.

Thoughts looked like tour guides. The guide explains the itinerary, explains the landscape and explains the purpose of the action, but no one knows exactly what kind of trip it will be.


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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:14 am

Hi, Arcturus,
It seems to me that situations, thoughts, actions are related.
Ok. Is there a me it seems that way to? Or is this a report of a thought?
Those situations just exists, thoughts just happens, actions just happens.
Yes!
Thoughts looked like tour guides.
Just to be clear, are all thoughts true?

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:35 am

Dear Robyn

It seems to me that situations, thoughts, actions are related.
Ok. Is there a me it seems that way to? Or is this a report of a thought?

This is a report of a thought.

In appearance, situations, thoughts, actions are related.
However, it's not true.

In fact, those are not related.

Thoughts looked like tour guides.
Just to be clear, are all thoughts true?

"Tour guide" was analogous.

Thought comment on the situation or before and after the action--just like a tour guide.

I do not know if all thoughts are true or not.

Thought happens and disappears.

The assertion that a thought is true is itself a just thought.


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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:13 am

Hi, Arcturus,
In fact, those are not related.
Indeed.
"Tour guide" was analogous.
Yep - I recognized that and wanted to check on the understanding of thoughts and their bearing or lack of bearing on action.
The assertion that a thought is true is itself a just thought.
LOL! Great point!

Arcturus, can you now say with a great big fat yes that there is no I?

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:50 am

Dear Robyn
Arcturus, can you now say with a great big fat yes that there is no I?
In order to answer your question, I looked for "I" for these two days.

"I" is just a thought, but it happened many times.

Sometimes it is powerful.

Therefore, to be honest, I do not feel like being released from "I".

I can't say with a great big fat yes that there is no I.

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:16 am

Dear Arcturus,
I looked for "I" for these two days.
It's great that you looked repeatedly over the course of two days.
"I" is just a thought, but it happened many times.

That is it! Seeing that "I" is just a thought is what there is to see. The thoughts of I are like the man in the Santa suit.
Therefore, to be honest, I do not feel like being released from "I".
This reflects an expectation of how life will be after seeing there is no "I," Arcturus. There is not necessarily a release -- just a recognition of the truth.

Seeing that "i" is an illusion is a beginning, an opening into greater clarity and peace. It tends to open over time.

If you can let go of the expectation that you will experience a release, you might notice there is a subtle shift in how life seems. Let me know if this is the case.

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:48 am

Dear robyn
If you can let go of the expectation that you will experience a release, you might notice there is a subtle shift in how life seems. Let me know if this is the case.
I write what I noticed.

· There is a calm atmosphere when I am looking.
· Violent emotions became difficult to occur.
· When I look deeply at the label "I", it will soon disappear.
· It seems to be no weight in thinking or feeling.

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:28 am

Arcturus,

That is wonderful!

I'd like to give you one more day to just "hang out" with this and keep noticing how life is now. Please share with me.

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:13 am

Dear Robyn

I'd like to give you one more day to just "hang out" with this and keep noticing how life is now. Please share with me.

· Even when the discussion is confused between me and someone, my own words are not heavy.
· Even if I become emotional, it gets quiet soon.
· Always, There is a calm atmosphere behind thoughts and feelings.
· I felt little feeling of guilt and regret.


Certainly life is changing.


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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby Artst » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:13 am

Dear Arcturus,
· Even when the discussion is confused between me and someone, my own words are not heavy.
· Even if I become emotional, it gets quiet soon.
· Always, There is a calm atmosphere behind thoughts and feelings.
· I felt little feeling of guilt and regret.
Certainly life is changing.
Reading this put a big smile on my face! I acknowledge you for putting aside your expectation so you can see what has really begun to open up. Beautiful!
· I felt little feeling of guilt and regret.
Did it become quiet soon?

Arcturus, can you say with a big fat yes that it's clear that separate self is an illusion? Do you have any doubt?

If you are clear, there are some final questions. Are you ready for me to send them to you?

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Re: Mumon-kan

Postby arcturus » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:20 am

Dear Robyn

· I felt little feeling of guilt and regret.
Did it become quiet soon?

I rarely feel guilty or regret.
Sometimes I feel, but that feeling disappears quickly.

Arcturus, can you say with a big fat yes that it's clear that separate self is an illusion? Do you have any doubt?

In order to answer this question, I checked various aspects of something that has been called "self".

Especially, about "owned" and "others", I just looked it without deduce.

What I discovered about "owned" is that even if the word "my" or a label "my" occurred, the actual owner does not exist.

There is a slight sense of attachment, but that sense does not possess anything. Thoughts, feelings and body can not possess anything.

Dare to say, the thought possesses the thought itself, the emotion possesses the emotion itmself, and the body possesses the body itself.

However, there is no such thing as "separat self" that possesses thought, emotion and body.

What I checked next is "others".

At that time I looked that other people's words, emotional expressions and body are not so different from my thought, emotion and body.

Those is like a landscape.

In other words, when I do not deduce, when I just look, there is no self or anything separated from others or the world.

There is something like a landscape.

If you are clear, there are some final questions. Are you ready for me to send them to you?

I'm clear.
please send questions.


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Arcturus


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