Wispered Dreams

[Sarah7]

Hey Ormus

Yes, I see it clearly now. Those thoughts about not having it are just thoughts about not having it. In actual experience, those thoughts are definitely not true.

Ok so today whilst still looking at this have a look in/at that which notices. Is it bothered, does it identify with an 'I', has it got it, or lost it? Check in as much as possible whilst the day is happening. What do you notice? Get familiar with it, get curious.
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Ormus]

Hi Sarah,

Ok so today whilst still looking at this have a look in/at that which notices. Is it bothered, does it identify with an 'I', has it got it, or lost it? Check in as much as possible whilst the day is happening. What do you notice? Get familiar with it, get curious.

The day was spent checking in as much as possible and observing thoughts coming and going, They couldn't be stopped or altered in anyway.
No, awareness isn't bothered, it simply is, without judgement or identity. It hasn't got it or lost it - it just is.
Thank you so much
Ormus xxx

[Sarah7]

My apologise Ormus. Forgot to reply! Lol.

What are others in direct experience? Others in comparison to what? Is there still a belief that ͚you͛ Are in the body?
Can you find a self in other human bodies? How do you KNOW it͛s there?

Does the sense of self appears simultaneously with the resistance to what is?
Use the interaction with others to notice how the interactions with different people triggers different responses. Notice that "you" are not the person who suffers but "you" arises simultaneously with the struggle/resistance that generates the suffering. Every interaction with "others" can be an opportunity to notice that.
Is there a physical self-contained within/as other bodies? Go sit in a park or somewhere where there is a mixture of people and other living objects like birds trees- also non-'living' rocks water moving, wind etc. Then looking at if there was a self in that image/colours/movement (of rocks, wind), then what about plants/animals? Any difference? Then the human bodies moving around, talking? What͛s the difference apart from the ideas about that? Does that prove anything?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Ormus]

Hi Sarah,
Thanks for your reply:

What are others in direct experience? Others in comparison to what? Is there still a belief that ͚you͛ Are in the body?

There are no others, there is no me and there is no body to be in. These are just appearance.

Can you find a self in other human bodies? How do you KNOW it͛s there?

There are no other human bodies and there certainly is no 'other self.' All is one consciousness.

Does the sense of self appears simultaneously with the resistance to what is?

There is no resistance to what is and the sense of self does not appear anymore.

Notice that "you" are not the person who suffers but "you" arises simultaneously with the struggle/resistance that generates the suffering.

Thoughts of I could generate thoughts of suffering.

Is there a physical self-contained within/as other bodies?

Not possible.

Does that prove anything?

No, it proves nothing, they are only ideas, thoughts of thoughts and none of them are true.
Thank you so much
Ormus xxx

[Sarah7]

Hi Ormus

There is no resistance to what is and the sense of self does not appear anymore.

Anymore questions? Anything you want to look at?
Do you feel the illusion of self has been clearly revealed? Any doubt? Has seeking ceased?
If no more questions or doubt, I have a few more questions just to tie everything together. OK :)
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Ormus]

Hi Sarah,

Anymore questions? Anything you want to look at?
Do you feel the illusion of self has been clearly revealed? Any doubt? Has seeking ceased?
If no more questions or doubt, I have a few more questions just to tie everything together. OK :)

No questions, nothing to look at, no doubt at all and no seeking, just the absolute certainty that self is an illusion.
Thank you so much
Ormus

[Sarah7]

Hey Ormus
Rightyho then!
So - just to sum up can you answer these in as much detail as you feel is necessary. Theres no rush! :)

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Anything to add?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Ormus]

Hi Sarah,

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

No, it is clearly seen there is not a separate entity anywhere.

Was there ever?

No, there never was.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.

The delusion of self is a thought construct that is programmed from childhood by everyone around us that leads us to believe that we are separate entities.Thoughts divert attention from the now moment.

Describe it fully as you see it now.

It is nothing more than a mental construct that is not real.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels so much lighter, more relaxed and easier not to buy into stories. I feel like my search is at an end and that is a big relief. Thoughts, emotions and stories arise but it is easy to see through them.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

It was the realization that I was comparing my own direct experience with what I read about others experiences. Looking removed the comparison and no-self was clearly seen.

Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

No, there is no 'self,' 'I,''me' to decide, intend. choose, or control anything and no, I cannot make anything happen.
Yesterday, I decided not to go to the local Monday morning market, but I found myself getting dressed, getting in my car and heading there. Although parking is always very difficult at these markets, I found a parking space easily, close to where I was going. As I walked to the market I encountered an acquaintance who needed a vital piece of information for her cancer treatment and I was the only one in the neighbourhood who could supply it. There was no thought, or planning or intention to do any of this, it just happened. All of this happened even though I had planned to stay at home that morning in direct opposition to what the body actually did without thought.

Anything to add?

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the time and support that you have provided for this endeavour. This process of looking and the forum is an invaluable resource and ALL of the guides are to be commended for their dedication, patience and compassion.
With profound gratitude
Hugs Ormus xxx

[Sarah7]

Hi
I've sent you a private message. Ok!
Hugs Sarah xx