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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Wed May 24, 2017 5:35 pm

Hello Jorge!

I didn't write for a quite a long time, that some interesting things happened.
First of all
what is the "still looking" group?
this one viewforum.php?f=43

One night I had a strong fear, you know night time much more stressful, thought came like: If nobody control this body and thoughts, what if it can kill somebody, even kill family and so one. I tried to look at it like on just happenings but it was so strong that wrapped me out. Next morning it appeared so ridiculous.

Old habits provide default position of reactions like I am a separate entity, but when some of "separate" thoughts or anxiety begin looking on this moment comes and everything become clear. Simontaneosely, "separate" thoughts part of reality too.

I still notice some expectations of this process, as everything become a calm, peaceful and so on, but I do not take them seriously.

I'm trying to write this post throughout all day, but thoughts which pretend to be here do not seem so important!

So,

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Eugenio

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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Wed May 24, 2017 9:24 pm

Hi!,
what is the "still looking" group?
this one viewforum.php?f=43
Ah!, I forgot about that group! why could it be frightening to be in that group? that group was an attempt to see if with several guides could improve the guiding, but nothing can be done if the person does not want to see towards the site that is offered, that's not your case.
One night I had a strong fear, you know night time much more stressful, thought came like: If nobody control this body and thoughts, what if it can kill somebody, even kill family and so one. I tried to look at it like on just happenings but it was so strong that wrapped me out. Next morning it appeared so ridiculous.
There is an issue that we overlooked many times, and there is no one, no one who has those experiences, there is an entity that is afraid, as you have noticed, fears and thoughts appear almost randomly, there is no one controlling them, so far no one was in control of anything, why did nobody do "crazy things" like the ones you mention? Do you have recurrent thoughts of hurting others or yourself? Does it depend on whether there is an "I" or not?.
Every morning is next morning, for the point of view of a separate self should be ridiculous all past thoughts.
You are not there controlling stuff or doing things, you simply are not,
Eugenio simply does not exist,

but that does not stop me from sending you hugs! :)
Jorge
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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Sun May 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Hi Jorge!
It's me again))
Do you have recurrent thoughts of hurting others or yourself? Does it depend on whether there is an "I" or not?
No, I don't have recurrent thoughts of this. It doesn't depend on what thoughts say about existing of separate "me"

Today I've asked my wife "What life is it?" and she described me present sensations - just it, nothing more, seems it clear for everyone.

Also, I had a talk with a friend of mine, his very logic and scientific person, he couldn't describe how exactly he creates thoughts. Eventually, he concluded that "himself" it's a thought about himself and his experience, he has reached it logically!!!

I know that I'm here for doing investigation only for myself, also I understand that imposing my thoughts on other people it's not a good idea. Maybe Illusion "I" can make a great trick with belief that "I" replacing by new "not I" which stronger and exactly know how to live, but on the other hand probably it's an attempt to make sure that in other people there is no entity too.
When I remember while contacting other people that there are nobody inside it makes me laugh (of course not to face'em )))

There some questions arise about perception. There are could be many ways of perception of life. When we are kids, young, when we are sleeping, when we are at a rock concert or drunk a lot, or in meditation and so on. So perception it's the way to feel life. I guess thinking that you are "body-mind separate complex" and seeing that you are a consciousness are two different perceptions of life, so, therefore, the expectation of a new perception was born in my world. Probably it's one more thought that takes a belief-support or maybe it right in the way that I described and perception has changed but I haven't noticed it.
After I have written it I'm feeling that it's too complicated to be the truth)) anyway leave it here

Sometimes I try to check "myself" just for fun, how it could be a real separate entity and I always fail at this task, because I can't find it logically, even emotionally. There is only one way to become a person -to believe in it without any checking.

Does it mean that I've passed through the gateless gate? Seems something is stirring me. Why there is uncertainty, although there is a knowing of "nobody home"?
Or maybe talking with you make me calm and I do not want to lose it...

What do you think Jorge?

Lately, I wrote rarely... Is it ok with this pace or I have to make it more intensively for eventually make a final shift?

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Eugenio

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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Mon May 29, 2017 8:40 pm

Hello Jorge!

One more bunch of happenings.
Some time ago I thought that I had plans for my future, nowadays it sounds ridiculous - plans for future.

There are still thoughts about future, I noticed that when I think about future I imagine particular calendar where months locate around the center - it's fun)) also, there are still fears, even strong fears - but it's ok.

Probably I'm going to live without any plans for the future, just this moment.
But there is no one who going to do it

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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Tue May 30, 2017 2:54 am

Hi Eugenio,
There some questions arise about perception. There are could be many ways of perception of life. When we are kids, young, when we are sleeping, when we are at a rock concert or drunk a lot, or in meditation and so on. So perception it's the way to feel life. I guess thinking that you are "body-mind separate complex" and seeing that you are a consciousness are two different perceptions of life, so, therefore, the expectation of a new perception was born in my world. Probably it's one more thought that takes a belief-support or maybe it right in the way that I described and perception has changed but I haven't noticed it.
All those questions come from the perspective of an entity
are you "here" perceiving "the life" over there?
Are You a "body-mind"? do you have a body? do you have a mind?
Are You a "consciousness"? do you have a "consciousness"? Do You have a "perception of a world"?
Lately, I wrote rarely... Is it ok with this pace or I have to make it more intensively for eventually make a final shift?
What needs to get this? again... it is a perspective of an "I": "what "I" need to do?"
it's like a paradox, there is nobody doing, seeking, or looking...
but... look for an illusory "I" is needed and comes from the perspective of an "I"
Some time ago I thought that I had plans for my future, nowadays it sounds ridiculous - plans for future.
Sure... but don't forget to buy some bread for breakfast :)
here is in this way (my paradox): there is nothing wrong with plans, making plans are right now at this very moment, in this eternal present, but do NOT worry about the future, there is no future! there is just this moment, if your attention, your focus your thoughts are about an hypothetic future your present is that focus! your present will become the total concentration on that carrot that hangs in front of you which people call "future"... see my point?

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Jorge
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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:06 pm

Hi Jorge!

Yesterday I was at the communicative training in the darkness which was organized by the association of blind people. I went there just because of it happened this way. In my past, I had visited a lot of training and practices for developing myself, for find out what I really want and other stuff.
Nowadays I see - there are nothing to develop, nothing to change, nothing to achieve. I just went there because It happened!) When trainer asked me about my request and result that I wanted to have at the end of the session I didn't have any idea. But he insisted: "what is your real purpose? take a deep look for your wants"
And arose a lot of thoughts about my real desires, they started to tell me about my hidden reasons, about a deep sense of being on this training and so on. Unfortunately, there is nobody home at the moment who can believe in any of this offers, so I replied: "In the end of this I just want to breathe deeper"
Let me describe my look on the examples of other participants, they really helped me in this. When people mentioned their requests I heard something like:
"I want to find myself", "I want to understand what is the business of my life", "I want to become..., more..." and so on.
The great insight came to me: Nobody have never seen or known this guy named "Myself". NEVER - NOBODY. Ha -Ha -Ha. Just voiced thoughts were in those space.
After the talk we went to the dark room, there was absolutely dark, we'd been there about 2 hours and there I lost a body boundaries and became this darkness space with touching, sounds, feelings, thoughts which arose and passed away just here in this space. I saw it, only life.

Today there one more insight appeared from the space to the same space))) - like as, EVERYTHING (even present uncomfortable feeling which accompanied with the thought of desire to rid it) is the life!!! and that's ok!

Jorge it so OBVIOUS that there is ONLY LIFE (includes the endless variety of manifestations which includes belief in separate identity) that there is nothing to say or billions of thoughts - it doesn't matter - this is one!

I'm ready to say, Yes, Definitely, there is no separate entity! Readiness for final questions just here.
I can't say I passed the gates, also I can't say there weren't any gates, I can't say anything, because of nobody creates these thoughts!)) Probably, the solution just arose here, but still, It's just a thought equal with the thought "I'm not ready yet". Kind of emptiness and that's ok. It was always here

Yeah, nothing to achieve!

Life is absolutely the same as it was, nothing changes - but what really explain this sentence which fingers just have typed??))))

Jorge, I'm so grateful you for your patience and frankness - Yes, I know only life there))))

Warm hugs
Life)))

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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:34 pm

Hi Eugenio!,

Nice post! I am glad to read it!.

please, share with me what happens! I want to hear about your experiences at this time!
Jorge it so OBVIOUS that there is ONLY LIFE (includes the endless variety of manifestations which includes belief in separate identity) that there is nothing to say or billions of thoughts - it doesn't matter - this is one!
Yes!
Jorge, I'm so grateful you for your patience and frankness - Yes, I know only life there))))
Yes!, only life there! :) thanks to you!

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Jorge
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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:50 pm

Hi Jorge!
I want to hear about your experiences at this time!
Now: a feeling of typing fingers, feeling pressure to my back from the pillow behind, sound from the clock, deep breath was taken, concentrating, thoughts of what to write, typing, the cat appeared in seeing, uncomfortable feeling under the ribs from the left side.

Life happens like it was in the same way. Not so many words today)

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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:24 am

Hi Eugenio!
Now: a feeling of typing fingers, feeling pressure to my back from the pillow behind, sound from the clock, deep breath was taken, concentrating, thoughts of what to write, typing, the cat appeared in seeing, uncomfortable feeling under the ribs from the left side.
I don't "feel" any "doer" in your post, I'm right?
Do you have seen through the illusion of "I"?
Is there anything more you want to investigate?

Warm hugs!
Jorge
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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:41 pm

Hi Jorge!
I don't "feel" any "doer" in your post, I'm right?
Definitely right! No doer, no perceptioner, no filler, nobody. Just experience here
Do you have seen through the illusion of "I"?
Seeing happens, yes.
Is there anything more you want to investigate?
life is just happening, at this very moment, there is nothing to investigate

Thank you, Jorge

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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:49 pm

Hi Eugenio!
life is just happening, at this very moment, there is nothing to investigate
,
Great!

Here are the final questions:
  1. Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
  2. Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
  3. How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
  4. What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
  5. Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
  6. Anything to add?
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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:51 pm

Hi Jorge!

It takes me a few days to start writing this final shift post - so thrillingly)))
Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, absolutely. Here are only manifestations of life, it was always like this. Always life, always now!
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self it's just a thought, repetitive thought that called belief. It started from the childhood when I learned to speak and discovered the world around me I think when I was about 3-4 years old. Probably, parents told me that this body is "I" and people around reconfirmed It. It also encourages by the structure of languages. Which common expressions point that there is a somebody who creates, does, thinks and altogether takes an action and live them life!!!
At this very moment, insight just has come: Surroundings teach that this body called "I", let it be, it's ok! BUT It DOESN'T mean that after I started to call this body-mind "I" something start to control))))) "I" just a word, it's empty.
So let's go further, I investigated when I change the place of living - life changes (of course changing of living place just happens) and emotions, thoughts, moods get some other shades, life automatically starts to get all of this stuff. So, Nations and a big group of people could have some particular beliefs like religions, traditions and other. But one great ridiculous common belief of the whole humanity is the belief in separate "I".
So it works very well because it spreading and encouraging by billions.
But it absolutely doesn't matter because this belief just happens as a part of the life.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels like nothing really happened. Those sticky thoughts which seemed obstacles was just thoughts. Everything became a lighter a lil bit. This seeing is revealing from a lot of sides last few days, thought told that: "Yes, of course, Why didn't you get this earlier it is too easy", everything seems simple. Now I just sitting and noticing of thoughts and feeling arising, notice of noticing. Yeah, tumbler "Life on" is pushed on))) Life still flow as it was, everything changes, comes and goes. Different that there is no thought of "Somebody can control it"
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
As you remember clearly seeing happened a couple of months ago and then it was an expectation that it should come back but it wouldn't. Was a thought: I haven't passed yet.
Vacations were really useful!
Bird singing - was a great example!
A turning point was also hearing of requests of people that wanted to change something, to improve themselves.

Step by step, eventually, it was seen that there is obviously no separate entity.
Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
A decision, intention, free will, choice, and control - notions, which point to nothing real. Decision and choice - thoughts about a turning point, which doesn't real too. Intention thoughts about future ......... Sorry, I just tried to describe unreal things by other unreal things))))))

Things JUST are HAPPENING. There are no reasons as well as no consequences for that! It all just happens.
Example: the sleeping of my tiny dog next to me happening right now that is a great manifestation of life!))
Anything to add?
I thought that I will find some final point or become a particular state, but not at all of this. Life keeps on reveal them self in different variations and it endless.
I wonder that manifestation of life which called Jorge and LU have happened. I appreciate that you have been doing this for people so patiently and carefully. It couldn't be displayed in words how big is my gratefulness now.

Thank you very much once again for this long, tricky, interesting life-trip, Jorge!!!

Hot hugs!)))
Manifestation of life which called Eugenio

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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:31 am

Hi Eugenio!,

Nice answers and post!, I really enjoy it!

let's see if any other guide has questions about!

thanks to you my friend!

warm hugs!
Jorge
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Re: Finish shift

Postby Jorge786 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:23 pm

Hi Eugenio!,

there are no questions from others guides, you will receive a private message from an admin soon... see you on Facebook aftercare groups!

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Jorge
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Re: Finish shift

Postby EugenioBy » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:10 pm

Hi Jorge!

Sounds curiously!

Looking forward to an invitation to the group!


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