Think i'm ready for the change

[Bharat]

Thanks Vince,

I feel like I still need to do more !! maybe its just a habit and will change in time. I'm probably talking out of habit about the self/I even though it doesnt exist and the feeling prbably eventually fade away into just a sense of I as such.

Should I just continue as normal and not focus /concentrate specifically on anything ? Just started rading I am that by Nsgarxxxxxx , seems to fit perfectly with what I am doing.

Maybe i've read to many other blogs where some people have a dramatic dropping of beliefs and less so on the few that drop beliefs over a period of months etc .

I still probably wont be able to answer your questions any better at this time, since the High of the experienec has long gone and is a faded memory.

[vinceschubert]

Should I just continue as normal

When you write your thoughts, you get a chance to see more objectively what your beliefs are.
All beliefs that you see are a portal into reality.
When you say "should I continue as normal", i see that you are looking into the future.
This will never happen in the future.
It will always be NOW when IT happens.
If you ask yourself every day, "What IS my experiencing NOW ?" This minute. In this NOW, what is the Totality of my experiencing? and what is believed ? What is story ?
This will keep alive the possibility for discovery.
Sure, read Nisargadatta, Ramana Maharshi, Greg Goode, Adyashanti, Mooji, Gangaji etc. but read them for entertainment and to keep your interest focused, but not to get liberated. (that's not to say that something that they say won't trigger a SEEING)
i will keep this thread open so you can come any time and ask anything, or email me vinceschubert@gmail.com
Do look often to find evidence of that self until realisation occurs.
When your energy levels rise, come back and we will continue if IT doesn't happen sooner. Actually, come back if seeing does occur and you will be invited to discourse with other liberated to continue, as the seeing is only the beginning.

[Bharat]

I will continue as is and will see if further Seeing happens, more than likely it will, just a matter to time.

I do read this books to keep my interest focused, and certainly not be liberation, but they help, maybe i need a short break to refresh the mind!!! been at it, since late March.

Many thanks for yours and Elora's time and wisdom, hopefully, we'll catch up again soon and move forward with nothing to do.

Cheers

Bharat

[Eloratea]

Hey Bharat,

forum has next week break, so it is ok you have one too :)

Good luck to you (and Vince)!

[Bharat]

Hi vince,

Hope u had a good break, I'm still continuing with looking. I have been reading some some and managed to get better clarity on that thoughts arise by themselves , it seems like I was stuck in the mind too much. I still think a lot but know that thoughts are arising by themselves, so that helps break some of the illusion of the self/I.

Before this the self/I strongly identified with thoughts but who's thought , where did they come from, so now this is clearer , but now it's a case of who is that is aware of the thoughts/seeing/feeling etc.

Thoughts are now happening and I don't need to take them as truth or seriously , but now I guess I need to back to finding the non existent self, through more here and now presence.

So I continue with the the original question, where is the self etc, so I can try to now see the illusion fully, as the no self has clicked fully, even though I know that is a thought and nothing more.

Previously the thoughts all centred around an I/self , this is no longer the case as such, so a bit more focusing should see through the whole illusion ?

Many thanks

Bharat

[Bharat]

In the above I meant the no self HASnt clicked fully!!!

[vinceschubert]

I was stuck in the mind too much

Ha!, excellent seeing.

Thoughts are now happening and I don't need to take them as truth or seriously

Yes, this is it.
Thoughts will always continue, but now there is a knowing that they mean as much as the sound of the refrigerator. there are useful thoughts but most are crap, just mind trying to reinforce the idea of a self.
You have a foot through the gate. Keep going.
Also, look for humour. When you see a crap thought for what it is, develop a chuckle, a laugh of recognition.
Can you find a relaxed, easy attitude that is surrendering to What IS ? An acceptance of Everything ?

[Bharat]

At the moment I'm trying to get back to focusing on the none self topic, been tough to get this point, but ur correct now I get some thoughts and i think just what a crap thought !lol. ,

In some situations I get sucked in due to the busyness of the moment and the habitual pattern of thoughts continue and go back into the mind.

It's only been about 2 days since seeing that thought is indeed automatic, so focusing on seeing,hearing,etc should help click this seeing further.

There is a certain amount of an easy attitude to situations , people etc, but not an acceptance of everything as yet.

[vinceschubert]

Good day Bharat.
It all sounds good.
There are many years of habit which will now be de-conditioned.
Each time you 'see' that you are sucked in or that a crap thought wants to reinforce a sense of self the whole thing gets weaker and less frequent. At first you might find that you only see that you were carried away after the fact, but soon you will start seeing that it is about to happen (and then it won't - just by seeing it.)
Can you see how that automatic nature of thought was constantly reinforcing a sense of self ?

[Bharat]

Yes that's correct it does feel like there is deconditioning going on, as I now see the thoughts as thoughts fathers thoughts about me or that belong to me. The is jst a character in the thoughts, made up, not real.

I am seeing more of the habits as they happen or after its happened, but do they belong me , no, there isn't a real thing called me, Bharat here!! Just a story/character that has been assumed To be a real entity, not anymore :)

I'm keeping away from being in the mind too much and keep focused on what actually is rather then thoughts, as u said self reinforces it's self through thoughts, that is now seen clearly.

Let's see how things continue to pan out.

Many thanks

[vinceschubert]

Ahh, this is wonder-full.
Yes, further, always further.
Bharat, you are through. Just let it settle.
i will ask you some questions soon and get confirmation.
Re-examine any expectations about what is to come and when you are ready post your findings.

vince

[Bharat]

at present there are no real expectations of what is to come or the future, whatever is will be fine. There doesnt seem to be any hurry or restlessness to achieve anything as such, things are ok for now.

[Bharat]

Also , as stated previously the no self hasn't fully clicked , that would be an expectation, but right now that click isn't important either!!!

[vinceschubert]

Ahh, another 'symptom' of those who have passed through the gateless gate is that seeking stops.
Beautiful!

[Bharat]

It's been a few days now and I am feeling normal!

In the past few days, when a negative emotion arose, I would think, is there me to feel this and then the emotion would dissolve.
Now the emotions are sticking as such even though there isn't a self, a sense of self exists and also I'm more in the mind.
Today's I'm more aware of my surroundings, more present, but emotions are sort of sticking.

Is this how it continues to unfold ?