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Re: I am ready

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:24 am

Morning Dani
I have read the quote, and it does make sense. But it is frustratingly simple and difficult to face, even though it is true.

Look into that frustration. What is that made up of?
The only question that I have and keeps on bothering me is "what was that which happened a while ago?"
And by that I mean the 1 week-long experience of no self, the feeling of real oneness, where I had no fear and no desire at all.
Now I am aware that it's just an expectation-thought, but it keeps bothering me: was it real? if yes, than how do I get it back? If not, then what was it? How come it seemed so real?
Brilliant seeing here. You know the answer here. Thought wants to grab, hold, contain and control that experience. Can you un- experience experience? What is happening now though, is it comparison? Now versus this wonderful experience? And has now lost? What makes now not good enough?
As I see now, everything around me, including ME is just a thought (a name and/or a form). So, my assumption is that it might have been real at that time, but just because I was clinging to it, it vanished. And now, it turned into the biggest trap, making me chase...well, a thought after all. (a thought chasing another thought-funny, isn't it)

What was clinging? Where is the trap? What is chasing? Lol
Seems like peeling an onion sometimes let's us with a bitter taste
What is bitter?
Big hugs Sarah xxx
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Re: I am ready

Postby arunachala » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:28 pm

Hi Sarah,

It's done, I have no more questions.
Few days ago, while going on a bike, I had seen that all there is, is seeing.
Definitely not what I expected, but that's just that.

Thanks again,
Dani

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Re: I am ready

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:56 pm

Hi Dani
So - just to clarify - I like to be thorough! Can you answer these in as much detail as you feel is necessary. Theres no rush! :)

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Anything to add?
Hugs Sarah xxx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

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Re: I am ready

Postby arunachala » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:26 pm

Hi Sarah,
Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, it doesn't exist and never existed more than just as a thought form.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
What is the illusion of a separate self? Well, it is the belief(thought) that there is a separate self, which is taken for granted and never truly investigated to see if it's actually true. When it starts? I have no idea, probably when we are kids, I was told that I am Dani, I am a boy and there is me and the others, so I took it to be real, an image/thought of a "me" got "real". Also, it starts again every morning when I wake up. There is seeing, hearing, feeling and then the "I" claims ownership of the experience saying I am hearing, I am seeing etc.
But once this is not taken for granted and questioned, It started to fade away, in a sense that there is no need to exist a seer for seeing to happen, it happens either way. And then, this is closely tied up to the idea of free will. If there is an I that is believed to be real, this I needs to know it has power and freedom to choose. But when it is seen through the illusion of it, things just happen. There is a stimulus and there is a response. That's it. There is thirst, there is the reaction of garbing the water, without anyone owning or directing the process.
Therefore, there is no guilt and neither pride anymore, knowing that whatever was done, just happened, without an owner of the experience to be held accountable.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Somehow ridiculous, because now I see that it was always here what I was looking for. And just the simple idea that I've built around it as a set of expectations (Thoughts should stop, bliss and happiness shall occur etc) was standing in the way of seeing this for what it is. Feels totally the same.
The difference from before starting the dialogue is that there is no expectation to find or reach or gain anything. I also experience some pain in the stomach for a couple of days, which, for a while I assumed it had to do with the concept "i don't control this life", but now while writing, I realize this is again a thought/expectation. So pretty much life now is a series of this "aha" moments, of seeing thoughts for what they are: thoughts.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Honestly I have no idea, because as I said, I was just going on a bike and it just happened to see that there is only seeing, hearing etc and thoughts. Probably the fact that I was living completely alone in a new city for one week might have helped. And also that I was feeling I had enough going around with this enlightenment shit.
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Anything to add?
Decide, intend, choose, control they are all the same: concepts/thoughts contributing to the idea of a "me" to feel "real" and "in charge of life". No, I don't do any, life just happens. Examples are as said before, there is the sensation of thirst, then the body grabs the water, even if I am engaged in a skype call with my attention. The breathing, sneezing, blood circulation, digestion, coughing, laughing, yawning every process just happens. If there is a question, there comes the answer from my side, without planning or stopping it.
Thoughts are fewer, but still there, and they are taken to be just that: thoughts.
Nothing more to add.

Thanks Sarah,
Dani

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Re: I am ready

Postby Sarah7 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:16 pm

Hi Dani
Thanks for that. I am sending you a private message which you can access above right.
Will come back to you here as soon as possible, if you can keep checking in that would be great!
Hugs Sarah xxx
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Re: I am ready

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:07 pm

Welcome Dani!
Another pm is one its way!
Hugs Sarah xxx
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