Please guide x

[falcontooth]

So put that story to 'Do I actually KNOW this right now?'I am sitting reading some pretty nasty emails.Do I actually know this right now?No, I am sitting?Do I know that right now?No, there is pressure (sensation)I am reading an email?Do I know that right now?No, there are images appearing as black squiggly lines. The emails are triggering 'anger'Do I actually know that right now?No, there are sensations appearing and there are thoughts appearing and there is an image appearing (of 'person/me/I') as well as sound(noise of thoughts). And so on.

The exercises are much appreciated thanks.Its amazing noticing thought happening..like all of a sudden..a car alarm or birdsong becomes a chime of whats here.. right in mid-drama and all that baggage is gone..dropped without a dropper. nowhere to be found. the colour exercise happens and its like the body is not there as a thing inside a bigger thing..its like a field with no size or shape and theres no knowing of arms or a certain appearance or when writing or walkin..all 'a'sudden the letters are meaningless yet being written or walking not knowing where this is...like before the gps kicks in with a label 'my street'. So all these triggers in seeming other people are really just life hilighting what is held? whats triggerable? thats a thought..label triggerable..trying to work it out in thought.

Thought is like a hypnotic trance..its got such appeal at times. to go into it..it seems like theres the option not to but on closer examination it cant be helped..its noriced but not by a noticer choosing to notice.

much love and thanks shelly

[falcontooth]

like the everyday sounds n goings on..mundane goings on..are alarm clocks ringing just this and that siren or banging hammer or arm reaching for the cup is where noticing seems to be happening x poorly explaining!

[forgetmenot]

Hi Shelly,

The exercises are much appreciated thanks.Its amazing noticing thought happening..like all of a sudden..a car alarm or birdsong becomes a chime of whats here.. right in mid-drama and all that baggage is gone..dropped without a dropper. nowhere to be found.

That’s great, Shelly! Did you notice that as soon at that car alarm or birdsong appeared that a thought also appeared labelling what the sounds were?

But listen again carefully to sounds that are appearing and drop all labels/thoughts and images and what is really there? Are there multitude of sounds or just sound (singular)?

Thought is like a hypnotic trance..its got such appeal at times. to go into it..it seems like theres the option not to but on closer examination it cant be helped..its noriced but not by a noticer choosing to notice.

Hmmm…nice thought story.
What is it exactly that can be hypnotised by thought?
The thought “thought is like a hypnotic trance..its got such appeal at times” is just another appearing thought. Are you not aware of all appearing thoughts…even the one’s that say “I am confused”. But what is it that can be confused? Absolutely nothing…so there is no one believing a thought that says they are confused!

There is nothing here in actual experience that is separate from experience. Just this. Always now.

Do this little exercise. All you need is 20 minutes, a pen and paper.

First write what you are experiencing right now using words “I” and “me”. Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just plain description of here now.

Like this-
I am laying in bed. I am hearing the rain, I am typing these words.

Do it for 10 minutes. Watch the body; are there any sensations of tightening or relaxing?

Then for next 10 minutes write without words “I” and “me”. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs:

Waiting for next thought, typing, breathing, blinking, hearing the rain, writing.

Again watch what is happening in the body.

Now compare the two ways to label experience - is one truer than the other? If so, which one? What is here without labels? Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?


Love, Kay

[falcontooth]

Did you notice that as soon at that car alarm or birdsong appeared that a thought also appeared labelling what the sounds were? 

yes thats true.

But listen again carefully to sounds that are appearing and drop all labels/thoughts and images and what is really there? Are there multitude of sounds or just sound (singular)?

Theres a multitude of different sounds like a hammering sound is different to a cats meow. please could you say a bit more on it

Ps.I'm on the small screen so typing/pasting not so good. back tomorrow. many thanks

[falcontooth]

But listen again carefully to sounds that are appearing and drop all labels/thoughts and images and what is really there? Are there multitude of sounds or just sound (singular)?Thought is like a hypnotic trance..its got such appeal at times. to go into it..it seems like theres the option not to but on closer examination it cant be helped..its noriced but not by a noticer choosing to notice.Hmmm…nice thought story. What is it exactly that can be hypnotised by thought?The thought “thought is like a hypnotic trance..its got such appeal at times” is just another appearing thought. Are you not aware of all appearing thoughts…even the one’s that say “I am confused”. But what is it that can be confused? Absolutely nothing…so there is no one believing a thought that says they are confused!

thanks for pointing this out. sorry not much time tonight as its getting late. will answer the rest tomorrow. thanks shelly

[forgetmenot]

Did you notice that as soon at that car alarm or birdsong appeared that a thought also appeared labelling what the sounds were?

yes thats true.

Did you make those labels/thoughts appear, or did they just appear on their own?
How is it known that the appearing label goes with the appearing sound?

Is there really a car alarm or birdsong, or are they just sound that is appearing?
How is it known that the sound labelled as 'car alarm' is an alarm that is going off in a car?
How is it known that the sound labelled 'birdsong' is a bird singing?

But listen again carefully to sounds that are appearing and drop all labels/thoughts and images and what is really there? Are there multitude of sounds or just sound (singular)?

Theres a multitude of different sounds like a hammering sound is different to a cats meow. please could you say a bit more on it

You didn't do as I asked, Shelly. I said to drop ALL thoughts and images (mental and visual) - so now there is no idea where the sound is coming from or what the sound is.

How is it known that the sounds are different?
What is the AE of "different"?

If you never knew that bangbangbang was married by a thought to an image of a hammer, and that 'meowmeow' was married by a thought to an image of a cat...then are they not just SOUND. How can there be different sounds? They are just sound.

Can an image (whether it be a visual image or a mental image) which is the AE of colour actually talk or make a sound?

Let's look at a 'cat'



What is the AE of 'cat'
The label 'cat' is the AE of thought and not the AE of a cat.
The colour/image (black and white) labelled 'cat' is the AE of colour and not the AE of a cat.
The sound labelled 'meow' is the AE of sound and NOT the AE of a cat meowing.
The sensation labelled as 'cat' (soft, fuzzy) is the AE of sensation and not the AE of a cat

So what is the AE of a cat...it doesn't exist. All that is there is colour/image + label + sound + sensation. The cat itself is *entirely* fictional.
Can you see this?

So...if you don't know what the sound is ie no descriptors....are there many DIFFERENT sounds or is there just SOUND?


Love, Kay

[falcontooth]

Thanks for the questions and apologies for being late replying. its late here so be back tomorrow. thanks shelly

[forgetmenot]

Hi Shelly,

I haven't heard from you. I don't want you losing momentum here. We have spent a lot of time with exercises and LOOKING, so where are you at now? You must of finished reading the entire thread by now and I would like to hear what you found.

Kay

[falcontooth]

Hi Kay. Sorry had extra busy few days so by the time Im getting on here its been late and then up early so hadnt enough time to read the whole thread yet but less busy from tomorrow night onwards and will answer all questions and complete the thread. many thanks shelly

[forgetmenot]

Wonderful to hear, Shelly! I look forward to your responses.

Hugs...Kay

[falcontooth]

Did you notice that as soon as that car alarm or birdsong appeared that a thought also appeared labelling what the sounds were?yes thats true.

Did you make those labels/thoughts appear, or did they just appear on their own?

No they appear on their own spontaneously

How is it known that the appearing label goes with the appearing sound?

how is it known..its a thought that presents a label that goes with another thought like motor car and vroom the engine sound.

Is there really a car alarm or birdsong, or are they just sound that is appearing?

theres really just sound appearing

How is it known that the sound labelled as 'car alarm' is an alarm that is going off in a car?

a thought pops up and makes it seem knowable but its not really ever knowable its all learnt:-)
I`ll answer the rest tomorrow as its getting late here but more time again now for answering. Many thanks shellyx

How is it known that the sound labelled 'birdsong' is a bird singing?

[forgetmenot]

Great, I look forward to your next post and I will answer them both at once.

Love, Kay

[falcontooth]

How is it known that the sound labelled 'birdsong' is a bird singing?

I'm not sure. I get that a sound has been learned/associated to a certain label and without the label the sound has no real meaning

But listen again carefully to sounds that are appearing and drop all labels/thoughts and images and what is really there? Are there multitude of sounds or just sound (singular)?

Theres a multitude of different sounds like a hammering sound is different to a cats meow. please could you say a bit more on it


You didn't do as I asked, Shelly. I said to drop ALL thoughts and images (mental and visual) - so now there is no idea where the sound is coming from or what the sound is.

apologies LOOKING....

How is it known that the sounds are different?

I dont know how its known other than as a thought/label popping up saying car or water, the labels are different.

so in AE its sound+thought

What is the AE of "different"?

ah. there is no AE of different, different would be a label again

If you never knew that bangbangbang was married by a thought to an image of a hammer, and that 'meowmeow' was married by a thought to an image of a cat...then are they not just SOUND. How can there be different sounds? They are just sound.

yes thats true without the label the sound is just sound

Can an image (whether it be a visual image or a mental image) which is the AE of colour actually talk or make a sound?

thats like asking if one of the dream characters from last nights dream actually made a sound or was actually there or actually spoke..the answer would have to be no..but to look now in this moment..fingers are typing, that sound seems to be infront as if it were coming from the keyboard...but LOOK..dont think...with eyes closed listening to the sound theres no over there the sounds not really at a distance. open eyes and theres colours +sound +thought
like with the hand exercise the sensations not actually over there in the hand the sounds not over there in the image/colour

What is the AE of 'cat'
The label 'cat' is the AE of thought and not the AE of a cat.
The colour/image (black and white) labelled 'cat' is the AE of colour and not the AE of a cat.
The sound labelled 'meow' is the AE of sound and NOT the AE of a cat meowing.
The sensation labelled as 'cat' (soft, fuzzy) is the AE of sensation and not the AE of a cat

So what is the AE of a cat...it doesn't exist. All that is there is colour/image + label + sound + sensation. The cat itself is *entirely* fictional.
Can you see this?

yes its colours + sound + thought the label cat

So...if you don't know what the sound is ie no descriptors....are there many DIFFERENT sounds or is there just SOUND?

there is just sound thats true with no labelling


thanks kay x

[falcontooth]

Here is another exercise along the same lines.

'Do I actually KNOW this right now?'
This is a question to ask to help with LOOKING without taking anything ‘from the past’ as knowing something/anything right now.

For example:

Sitting in a chair, drinking coffee and watching TV – LOOK and see what is actually KNOWN and not what thought says is happening.

- What do I know right now?
‘I’m sitting in a chair in the lounge-room’.
- Do I actually KNOW that right now?
‘No. I’m sitting’.
- Do I actually KNOW that right now?
‘No, there is pressure (ie sensation)’.

‘I can hear the television’.
- Do I actually KNOW that right now?
‘No, there is sound’.

‘I can see the television’.
- Do I actually KNOW that right now?
‘No, there are colours/images’.

‘I am drinking a cup of coffee’.
- Do I actually KNOW that right now?
‘No, there is taste and there is aroma’.
There is smoothness, hotness, hardness (ie sensation).

LOOK at what is actually KNOWN right now (actual experience) and not what thought says is happening ie “sitting in a chair, drinking coffee and watching TV” (story).

What is actually KNOWN right now is sensation, sound, colour/image, taste and smell and thought.

Take a couple of days doing this exercise and let me know how you go.

its true. there is sensation+sound+thought+taste+smell.

[falcontooth]

today i received some pretty nasty emails..they trigger all kinds of thoughts and sensations..so what is really happening isnt someone being mean to someone else..its amazing and nuts!. I noticed the past few days alot of narration going on while working..thinking about where to put in a fence post for example..so the thought is there thinking is happening but no thinker is there doing thinking. thanks for exercise be back tomorrow. goodnight


So put that story to 'Do I actually KNOW this right now?'

I am sitting reading some pretty nasty emails.
Do I actually know this right now?
No, I am sitting?
Do I know that right now?
No, there is pressure (sensation)
I am reading an email?
Do I know that right now?
No, there are images appearing as black squiggly lines.

The emails are triggering 'anger'
Do I actually know that right now?
No, there are sensations appearing and there are thoughts appearing and there is an image appearing (of 'person/me/I') as well as sound(noise of thoughts).

And so on.

so with whats happening now...colours+sensation+thought+sound.. thats the AE with everything and anything so there is no difference-only in labels. its like lately seeing more that everything is just happening..life is just happening..whatever happens. its all a miracle everything a miracle and its all just happening..never was a me who was making it happen or making good or bad decisions or making people come or stay in life...the 'people' were all life not owned X