In which way are they yours? Is there a you owning them?The difference before this dialogue is, the forgetting that there is not a separate "I" and the experience of thinking thoughts are mine and there is control over them.
The words were an attempt to explain the difference (not a good one). Direct seeing shows words/thought just arise without a source or place, they are not mine - I say they come to "me" as I do not know how else to say it. They arise and there is notice of them. It appears that something is making decisions, thus it could be interpreted as control.Dale Marie wrote:
The difference before this dialogue is, the forgetting that there is not a separate "I" and the experience of thinking thoughts are mine and there is control over them.
In which way are they yours? Is there a you owning them?
How is control over this exerted?
The feelings are like thoughts, they come and go - Nothing is really different except the awareness that thoughts are not mine - there is no me who creates or controls them.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Dale Marie wrote:
The difference before this dialogue is, the forgetting that there is not a separate "I" and the experience of thinking thoughts are mine and there is control over them.
In which way are they yours? Is there a you owning them?
How is control over this exerted?
Aah! With "the forgetting that there is not a separate "I" and the experience of thinking thoughts are mine and there is control over them", were you describing what was experienced before seeing through the Illusion of self?The words were an attempt to explain the difference (not a good one). Direct seeing shows words/thought just arise without a source or place, they are not mine - I say they come to "me" as I do not know how else to say it. They arise and there is notice of them. It appears that something is making decisions, thus it could be interpreted as control.
Is there anything else that is yours?The feelings are like thoughts, they come and go - Nothing is really different except the awareness that thoughts are not mine - there is no me who creates or controls them.
lol- that question made me laugh - there is nothing that is anybodies! It is just an "I"dea - a thought.Is there anything else that is yours?
Did I understand you right that you were describing the time before seeing through the Illusion?Aah! With "the forgetting that there is not a separate "I" and the experience of thinking thoughts are mine and there is control over them", were you describing what was experienced before seeing through the Illusion of self?
Were the earlier "seeings" similar to this one? When did they happen? How did you manage to unsee them again?Ready for it? LOL Okay :-)
As I was reading Charles from the "Gateless GateCrashers PDF Book -This is what click or clinched it for me, I underlined it:
So I was like WTF - I am not part of reality??? Huh? Is this true?? Then I saw - I looked and I am not! LOLNow compare the following:
Take Spiderman. If you think about him, you have thoughts, feelings. They’re real, right? Real thoughts, feeling, real image of a red and blue lycra suit. But Spiderman is not real. Spiderman does not exist. He is not part of reality. The thoughts and images are—but he isn’t.
Self is exactly the same as this. Exactly the same. What arise are thoughts, feelings and sensations in the body. They are real thoughts and feelings. But an actual self? That’s not real. Self does not exist. You are not part of reality. The thoughts and images about you are—but a being that is living life? Thinking thoughts? No. There’s nothing there.
Do not believe this. Look."
This is a copy of what I wrote as I was seeing this at that time:
omg, omg, omg!!! There is No Me HERE! lololol If I look around I can not find a me anywhere in this reality!! Or existence! I am not here! Thoughts are here - looking and seeing things are here, feeling is here - everything is here except a me??!!! Oh my!!!
I use to believe that thoughts are not real - so many have said thoughts are illusions - But NOW I see as you said they are real - but the content is not! Got it!! Thoughts are always there, so they are real. But I is a thought - the thought is real - but the content is not.!! So there is the thought of I - But there is no Me.
Any how! that is it :-) I dont know how long his laughing and smiling about this will last - but it is sure fun right now! It is the simplicity of it that is soooo funny!!
Much Love!
three times, altogether? So let's make sure you won't forget this time. Once it is seen clearly that there is no I, it cannot be unseen again.
No - they were not! And that is the first time. wow.Were the earlier "seeings" similar to this one? When did they happen? How did you manage to unsee them again?
Great! This is extremely precious. You are catching the mind in act, creating it's own reality. This is what thoughts do all the time: Create a cyberreality and none of it does really exist. It's just all words and Images, like a movie on the screen. In the cinema there is no person, no landscape, no animal on the screen. Just light looking like it.No - they were not! And that is the first time. wow.
Hm... this is interesting....
The mind is in a scramble wanting to figure this out! lol.
I dont know what else to say!
It is quite funny! I do notice this when there is awareness to notice - if that makes sense.This is what thoughts do all the time: Create a cyberreality and none of it does really exist. It's just all words and Images, like a movie on the screen. In the cinema there is no person, no landscape, no animal on the screen. Just light looking like it.
You can never be certain whether it is true what thoughts say. Only sensations are what they are - for sure.
Watch thoughts how they are creating cyberreality. Report a story they created.
Nothing is going on! lol Stories have no meat. FantasyWatch thoughts how they are creating cyberreality. Notice a story they created. And then compare the story to what you see, hear, feel, smell and touch about the same time.
Right! :-)Nothing is going on! lol Stories have no meat. Fantasy
So what I experienced when "I say I" - was everything - I disappeared. When I say I the borders stopped and everything Is. In other words, I could not find any separation of there is a Me looking or doing.the feeling of being alive is naturally there. The feeling of "I" is different for everybody. What do you experience? When you say "I", what does this I refer to?
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