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The Evolutionary Leap
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"I": a simple case of mistaken identity.
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I meant never in its beauty.
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Is there a separate entity ‘self’, ‘me’ ‘I’, at all anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
There was only sensation/feeling ever. Pleasant or unpleasant sensations swirling, blowing like the wind against the skin. No self, Me or I.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, how it starts and works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now (rather than from theories, or other people’s teachings).
The illusion of a separate self. This occurs when there is identification with the thoughts around experiences/sensations/feelings. It is made personal as if biting a hook, latching on, sticking to the fly paper, creating blockages and often suffering. Even getting stuck in joy will create suffering and a sense of a separate self due to the thought that pleasant is better than unpleasant and there is a self/me/I experiencing it.
The thought of a separate self feels stagnant as if not fully alive, like holding your breath as you wait for something to happen...as if it ever stopped. You remove yourself from what is going on. Sensations are a most wonder filled thing. Joy, pain, sorrow, grief, happiness, boredom, and on and on…if there must be labels. If there were no labels there would be only sensation. The body is instinctual, it is intelligent and it knows without labels. Life is happening, it is intelligent, it does not need to be controlled by something identified as self/me/I.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
It feels…calm, free, not attached, relaxed, no worries or great concerns, no pity, no judgment, no suspense around what has been or will be. It’s beautiful really.
Before this dialogue began it felt as if I was swinging back and forth between being in the moment and being caught in past or future. Being in the moment is not the same as DE. It is a presence but there is identification with it. Oh…I am present, I am being, I am in the moment…lol…I’m aware that I am in the moment…so funny. Then…you aren’t and you are once again in the past or future. DE is kind of like…there are no moments. Everything just is. There were glimpses of this prior to my dialogue here but not like now.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
I couldn’t explain my self. LOLOL. A bit of silliness there. Really it was that there was a noticeable difference in my days. I felt the movement and did not stick anywhere. Mark my guide reinforced that I write from DE and not intellectually. There is a tendency for Denny to contemplate…to grasp the spiritual wisdom, the psychology within experience. There was no way to do this writing from DE. It was simple really. In one sense Mark cracked the whip…giggle giggle. When he said write from DE not my head. How Fun!!!
Do You decide, Intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Please try to describe the process as best you can, even if gropingly. Don’t forget to give some practical examples from your everyday experience (even if there is no real ‘you.I’) What are you responsible for?
Do I decide…Not I. Intend? Choose? Control? No I do not. Do I make it happen? It is happening like it or not.
Example: Today I drove to the store. A list was made to take along, a light bulb was purchased, a movie, a tank shirt, a hook for mounting a mirror, a hammock for the yard. Light bulbs were changed, a car driven, a hammock hung, and soon to be a movie watched.
Who decided to make a list, purchases, drive, etc.? It seems this was just what was happening. It presented itself to be done and it was done. Things present…life happening…yes.
What am I responsible for? What a large question that is. ‘I’ am not responsible for anything. There is a movement within this form. It writes these words, it feels, it breathes, it follows life as it happens. How beautiful is that!
Addition: Thank you to Mark. Big heart hug blowing your way. What a sensation to feel like something is about to end (this dialogue) yet knowing it never will :-)
Thank You so Much!!! Sooooo Simple
Denny
There was only sensation/feeling ever. Pleasant or unpleasant sensations swirling, blowing like the wind against the skin. No self, Me or I.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, how it starts and works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now (rather than from theories, or other people’s teachings).
The illusion of a separate self. This occurs when there is identification with the thoughts around experiences/sensations/feelings. It is made personal as if biting a hook, latching on, sticking to the fly paper, creating blockages and often suffering. Even getting stuck in joy will create suffering and a sense of a separate self due to the thought that pleasant is better than unpleasant and there is a self/me/I experiencing it.
The thought of a separate self feels stagnant as if not fully alive, like holding your breath as you wait for something to happen...as if it ever stopped. You remove yourself from what is going on. Sensations are a most wonder filled thing. Joy, pain, sorrow, grief, happiness, boredom, and on and on…if there must be labels. If there were no labels there would be only sensation. The body is instinctual, it is intelligent and it knows without labels. Life is happening, it is intelligent, it does not need to be controlled by something identified as self/me/I.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
It feels…calm, free, not attached, relaxed, no worries or great concerns, no pity, no judgment, no suspense around what has been or will be. It’s beautiful really.
Before this dialogue began it felt as if I was swinging back and forth between being in the moment and being caught in past or future. Being in the moment is not the same as DE. It is a presence but there is identification with it. Oh…I am present, I am being, I am in the moment…lol…I’m aware that I am in the moment…so funny. Then…you aren’t and you are once again in the past or future. DE is kind of like…there are no moments. Everything just is. There were glimpses of this prior to my dialogue here but not like now.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
I couldn’t explain my self. LOLOL. A bit of silliness there. Really it was that there was a noticeable difference in my days. I felt the movement and did not stick anywhere. Mark my guide reinforced that I write from DE and not intellectually. There is a tendency for Denny to contemplate…to grasp the spiritual wisdom, the psychology within experience. There was no way to do this writing from DE. It was simple really. In one sense Mark cracked the whip…giggle giggle. When he said write from DE not my head. How Fun!!!
Do You decide, Intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Please try to describe the process as best you can, even if gropingly. Don’t forget to give some practical examples from your everyday experience (even if there is no real ‘you.I’) What are you responsible for?
Do I decide…Not I. Intend? Choose? Control? No I do not. Do I make it happen? It is happening like it or not.
Example: Today I drove to the store. A list was made to take along, a light bulb was purchased, a movie, a tank shirt, a hook for mounting a mirror, a hammock for the yard. Light bulbs were changed, a car driven, a hammock hung, and soon to be a movie watched.
Who decided to make a list, purchases, drive, etc.? It seems this was just what was happening. It presented itself to be done and it was done. Things present…life happening…yes.
What am I responsible for? What a large question that is. ‘I’ am not responsible for anything. There is a movement within this form. It writes these words, it feels, it breathes, it follows life as it happens. How beautiful is that!
Addition: Thank you to Mark. Big heart hug blowing your way. What a sensation to feel like something is about to end (this dialogue) yet knowing it never will :-)
Thank You so Much!!! Sooooo Simple
Denny
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Hi Denny
It's been such a pleasure (so far!).
Look out for a private message from me.
x x
Mark
It's been such a pleasure (so far!).
Look out for a private message from me.
x x
Mark
"I": a simple case of mistaken identity.
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